Why not verifying email before anyone can be able to register on this forum?

[NotATether]

For a small amount of money you can create hundreds of email addresses per day so adding email verification won't change anything.

Now you can even create them for free by abusing SimpleLogin and Passmail, although they will ban you if your addresses are reported.

[LoyceV]

@LoyceV, I am not saying that those legitimate users will be delighted if they have to wait more than 6 minutes, but in the last few days we have dozens of newly created accounts that manage to make 3-4 posts before being banned. I think that every beginner should therefore prove himself before he gets the opportunity to use the forum like everyone else - and if that means he has to wait 10 or 15 minutes between two posts until he becomes a Jr.Member, I don't think that would discourage most legitimate users.

Read this again:

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

Spammers don't care about limitations, they'll just let their bots create more accounts. Humans care.

[Faisal2202]

You can see an idiot spamming on this forum with the same posts but different accounts. The person finds it easy to use any email which are not even existing to create new account on this forum. Not verifying email before anyone can successfully register an account on this forum makes it easy for the person to create new accounts. Why not make email verification compulsory before registering an account?

Since the person continues, I do not think the IP ban is working or the forum does not want to ban the IP of the country the person is using to access this forum.

It was total of 60 accounts if you wish I can even enlist them but what we can do, I was amazed to see that much topics being created on Tuesday without realizing someone was spamming. The surprising thing is how he was able to create that much account from the same IP I mean he did not get any type of ban from the same IP even there are cases when people make account by using VPN somehow it detect the IP and ask for small payment I doubt if the person has really paid that much money.

I wonder what hack he/she has for creating this many accounts. If he can actually make that many accounts on this forum, who knows how many accounts a person can be having right now (not spamming though, like this).

[LoyceV]

It was total of 60 accounts

I remember spammers with many thousands of accounts. Spam really isn't that bad anymore nowadays.

The surprising thing is how he was able to create that much account from the same IP

As far as I know, IP-addresses only collect units of evil after an account created from that IP-address got banned.

[dkbit98]

IP ban with evil fees is not working very good, and I know genuine people who couldn't registered in forum because of this, but verifying email addresses won't solve anything.
Spammers and scammers already have a bunch of email addresses they can use for registration on any websites they want.

I remember spammers with many thousands of accounts. Spam really isn't that bad anymore nowadays.

I think they mostly moved to other platforms like twitter aka X and telegram.
If you have accounts there you can expect to receive regular fake followers inflow and a bunch of stupid questions.

[Doan9269]

You can see an idiot spamming on this forum with the same posts but different accounts. The person finds it easy to use any email which are not even existing to create new account on this forum. Not verifying email before anyone can successfully register an account on this forum makes it easy for the person to create new accounts. Why not make email verification compulsory before registering an account?

Since the person continues, I do not think the IP ban is working or the forum does not want to ban the IP of the country the person is using to access this forum.

I may not buy the idea of verifying the email address before registration on the forum, because this platform preach most about privacy and one of the ways in which this can be proven in by not intruding deeper in other peoples affairs, if they use a fake email address, then they are taking the risk of losing the account for life one day.

Let those spamming continuous with what they are doing, as long as they were being caught, they will be reported and proper action will be taken on them by the moderators, we cant just be tired of reporting them.

[Orpichukwu]

The surprising thing is how he was able to create that much account from the same IP

As far as I know, IP-addresses only collect units of evil after an account created from that IP-address got banned.

And even the spammer started creating more accounts after the previous ones got banned; they can easily bypass that ban by using a VPN.
 
Someone who is determined to spam can figure that out within a matter of minutes, or there are possibilities of getting the number of accounts needed ready before they even get started.

[Alone055]

I remember spammers with many thousands of accounts. Spam really isn't that bad anymore nowadays.

I agree. I still remember how Bitcoin Discussion and other main sections of the forum were flooded with spam and spammers around 2018/2019. It was almost unbearable to watch. And, that was after the introduction of the merit system but the spam was still out of control in the initial days.

One thing is certain, spam and spammers cannot be wiped out completely, there have been so many suggestions for restrictions but as theymos has said, he doesn't like the idea of putting a lot of restrictions on new users and we know spam begins from lower ranks. So I don't think he will implement any restrictions any time soon unless things go out of control which doesn't happen because of the systems that are already controlling things to a good extent.

I guess we have no other option than using the "ignore" and "report to moderators" options to deal with spam and spammers for the time being.

[Faisal2202]

It was total of 60 accounts

I remember spammers with many thousands of accounts. Spam really isn't that bad anymore nowadays.

Wait what thousands of accounts? Is that person was totally free, or he did that automatically by using some kind of bot?

The surprising thing is how he was able to create that much account from the same IP

As far as I know, IP-addresses only collect units of evil after an account created from that IP-address got banned.

So that means if he did not got banned by doing any type of spam from the IP then he can make unlimited numbers of account from the same IP? That's strange.

And even the spammer started creating more accounts after the previous ones got banned; they can easily bypass that ban by using a VPN.
 
Someone who is determined to spam can figure that out within a matter of minutes, or there are possibilities of getting the number of accounts needed ready before they even get started.

Free VPN might not be enough I know changing the network and other things can help them create account but someone cannot just create that many account by figuring the ban in matter of minutes although I just checked the time of creation of account of some accounts and it was a delay of few minutes only I am sure he had used some kind of bot maybe to automate the work. As he can't make that much effort just to spam from all of the accounts.

[Wiwo]

That spammer have become a pain in the ass recently and for sure having to figure out how to deal with the ease of creating such tons of account will definitely be what is on the thoughts of every concerned forum members, but email verification is far from solving this issue permanently.

But IP banned and stoppage from registering is what could hult this guys from spamming our forum, this way when the IP get banned it blocked from creating an account here in the forum even if their are willing to pay the evil fees.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I guess the spammer is from a good country like United States, Europe or those countries that spammers are not many. I think this is the reason the person IP has not been taken down? As the person is able to continue creating accounts and no IP banned is what I meant as ineffective IP ban.

Whatchu mean here? that the forum is a little bit racially biased? Enhh, I dunno if I'm to agree with this, but I'll say we're both entitled to our own views ... You get my point? I can't remember having any racial-based problems in here but yunno, people can be very funny sometimes.

Email verifications won't do any better just like everyone has been suggesting...I find it very hard to imagine the level of technical development that has been ran through the KYC/identification systems over the last 35 years...
So many loop holes that you can't control and as a result of that, there's a limitation to what you can do... For the most part, protecting yourself from within is all you got.

[SamReomo]

The spammers can create multiple email accounts on various email providing platforms like Gmail, Hotmain, Yahoomail, Yandex, mail.com, and so many others and those aren't temporary emails but personal emails. I believe for a spammer something like that isn't a big issue, and I also believe that IP ban can somehow be avoided too by using various VPN based IP addresses that aren't blacklisted yet. So in end the spammers will continue to create multiple spamming accounts no matter if email verification become mandatory.

[_act_]

I can see some people are only repeating what some people have posted on the first page of this thread. So because of this I will lock this topic now. I have read the important information and I know now that requiring email verification is not necessary on this forum to limiting spammers and scammers with continuous repetitive topics or posts. I do not think new posts on this thread will be useful anymore so I will lock it now.