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July 30, 2024, 05:08:07 AM
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It is easy to guess the intentions and goals of Donald Trump and Robert F Kennedy when they talked about the mass adoption of Bitcoin in their speeches. It should be underlined that soon there will be a new presidential election in the US, the content of their speeches will not be free from political promises to attract more people to support them. The promise may be realized or just a way to take advantage of the growing Bitcoin community, but if they are elected, hopefully they can fulfill their promise.

The President has the power and strength in any aspect to do something new, but the power of the people is much greater and can shake the presidential seat if the policies taken are contrary to democratic values. What they said coincided with the presidential election period, so don't expect much from their sweet words because they are very good at being two-faced.

 
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July 30, 2024, 06:10:20 AM
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Kennedy also promised to apply the same strategy of Nayib Bukele of El Salvador by making the US buy 500 BTC daily until the country's reserve gets to 4 million BTC. Such a wonderful promise.

There's zero chance for Robert Kennedy to become a US president, and yet he still makes absurd promises.
What's the point for the US government accumulating BTC? The USA has to pay it's gigantic national debt and cover the huge annual budget deficit. Buying and storing 500 BTC per day won't solve this issue. The BTC price might hit 500K or even 1 million, if the USA starts HODLing 4 million Bitcoins, but what's the point? The US dollar will continue it's devaluation and Bitcoin is still not suitable for a global currency.
I agree that the politicians are not our tribe, but at least many politicians started paying attention to the crypto community.

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July 30, 2024, 08:00:56 AM
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Politicians have advisors who understand what is trending and what the public likes, and that will be used as a campaign tool to attract many voters so they can win the election, so never believe everything they say either before or after being elected because their focus is only on how to win the election, not how to carry out what the public needs and what they promised during the campaign.
It is very sad that politicians have gained negative reputations from the public due to their failed promises, they are the same everywhere, they will sweet word the masses to get their votes. It is on this ground that we are not trusting Donald Trump, who has suddenly became a pro Bitcoin during his ongoing election campaign, nobody can easily trust anything that he's saying because of the perceptions that we have of politicians. I think that Bitcoin is a super force that has come to stay and people are adopting it massively, politicians who don't like the decentralization that it stands for are not having much choices but to embrace it because it's what the new generation wants. Whether the politicians are embracing Bitcoin in deception or not, it's only a matter of time before they will accept it wholeheartedly in the near future.
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July 30, 2024, 08:35:23 AM
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“Cast a vote, but don’t join a cult". “They are not our tribe. They are not your personality. They have their own interests, their own values, their own things they’re chasing. Try to get what you need from them, but don’t give yourself to them, even if you have to vote for them.”
politicians are basic cheap talkers that says whatever is needed to be said just to win the heart of the masses even when they don't mean a thing from their statement. Thier ideology is same accross all the part of the world and when an election approaches, it's at that point they start looking for what a particular group of people have been yearning for, make promises to provide those things just to secure there votes and after they've gotten the attention they're in need of and gets elected, that becomes the end of the story for you.

The decentralized system has always existed incognito of of whatever politicians stands for and a bullish speaking by whatever political asperant that might or might not even win in the coming election wouldn't make the difference. Election will come and go and at most, 20% of the promises might end up being executed if at all it would be executed but Bitcoin will continue to remain bouyant.

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July 30, 2024, 08:49:51 AM
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Politicians are inherently duplicitous.  They say all the things you want to hear because they need your vote.  But once they have power, they do the things their political donors tell them to do, because they need the money.  Once they have your vote, you don't actually matter.

However, if you're a bitcoiner who lives in America, would you really vote for Kamala Harris or a candidate who will have an anticrypto agenda under his administration? I reckon the decision is very easy, the vote will be for Trump. I am aware that he might not keep his promises, however, it is certainly much better than more years of uncle Gary's crackdowns, grandma Warren's campaign in the senate against the cryptospace and grandma Yellen's other anticrypto motivations.

For my personal stance, issues like abortion and generally not becoming a fascist state would take precedence over crypto.  Can't stand those Republicans obsessed with their dark-age religious dogma and their deplorable, antiquated "values".  And the fact that they're willing to adopt totalitarianism to make it happen is just appalling.  If I had ever lived in America, I'd have almost certainly left by now, it's that sickening.  Harris all the way.


Of course, issues related to the national economy and world security are much more important, cryptocurrencies are not the biggest and most important factor that will determine the outcome of this election. But we are on a bitcoin forum and what people care about most is things related to bitcoin, not news like abortion, immigration, rent prices...And as bitcoin investors, it's no surprise that the majority would favor Trump over Harris, and I also see no reason to vote for Harris, who will continue to pursue anti-corruption policies bitcoin, and the cryptocurrency that Biden leaves behind.

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July 31, 2024, 01:29:25 AM
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@Smack That Ace. I only want to mention that on the argument of abortion, people should respect each other. I will not stop the people from aborting their babies, however, I am prolife. Am I wrong on having a stance like this? Why would the woke think this is stupid if some one is prolife? Cannot they respect this?

On the illegal immigrants in America, there are some cities showing that this is certainly becoming a problem for their citizens.

On Harris, it appears that she will also have her own probitcoin agenda hehehehehhe. Do not give her your bitcoin heheheheheeh.

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July 31, 2024, 02:07:52 AM
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The speeches of Donald Trump, Robert F Kennedy, US Senators Bill Hagerty, Cynthia Lummis, and Tim Scott at this year's Bitcoin Conference in Nashville, Tennessee, received the spotlight in the Bitcoin community. Donald Trump and Robert F Kennedy spoke so well about Bitcoin thereby receiving applause and cheers from attendees. I was also thrilled by their comments because it will affect the Bitcoin space positively.

Trump said Bitcoin is a wonder to the world and will soon overtake gold. He promised to make the US the crypto capital of the world. Kennedy also promised to apply the same strategy of Nayib Bukele of El Salvador by making the US buy 500 BTC daily until the country's reserve gets to 4 million BTC. Such a wonderful promise.

There is no way we can verify the true intentions of these sweet talkers.

But the greatest and the most truthful message came from Edward Snowden  and it reads:

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“Cast a vote, but don’t join a cult". “They are not our tribe. They are not your personality. They have their own interests, their own values, their own things they’re chasing. Try to get what you need from them, but don’t give yourself to them, even if you have to vote for them.”

I agree. There are no trustworthy politicians and what they promise does not matter. The only thing that matters is what they deliver. As far as Trump goes, I have not known him to deliver on his election promises. And many promises are obviously over-exaggerated.

That is why I am not getting all excited about his Bitcoin remark.

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July 31, 2024, 02:22:22 AM
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Politicians are sweet talkers. This seems to be the topmost prerequisite for being one. Especially during the campaign season, they don't think twice dropping one promise after another. Whether these promises could be translated into reality or not doesn't matter. What matters is that the audience in front of them hear what they want to hear. That's how to get their votes, after all. It doesn't matter promising to reach for the stars. What matters is that their words cause big rounds of applause.

It's a breather to hear some pragmatic words from Snowden in a conference headlined with politicians.

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July 31, 2024, 02:38:54 AM
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 Has anyone noticed that no one is talking bad about Bitcoin amongst the campaigners especially Trump? You won't try to especially since you know that's about the best strategy you've got going for you and if I were to add, the only thing giving him an edge over Kamala. Edward Snowden was wise to say what he said because it's like knowing someone like the back of your hand and you can't be easily swayed by mere words from that person when you've got that knowledge.
 Like I'd always reiterate, politicians know only one rule and that's to use any and every means to get their way and it's no surprise that Trump has turned to that which he so despised back when he was president to worshipping it now he's running for president. What a funny turn of events!.

 
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July 31, 2024, 02:40:04 AM
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@Smack That Ace. I only want to mention that on the argument of abortion, people should respect each other. I will not stop the people from aborting their babies, however, I am prolife. Am I wrong on having a stance like this? Why would the woke think this is stupid if some one is prolife? Cannot they respect this?

On the illegal immigrants in America, there are some cities showing that this is certainly becoming a problem for their citizens.

On Harris, it appears that she will also have her own probitcoin agenda hehehehehhe. Do not give her your bitcoin heheheheheeh.

Regarding abortion, I think it depends on each person as well as each religion. As far as I know, Catholicism prohibits abortion in any form because it is life and most Americans are Catholic, but what is puzzling is that many people do not support this law. In addition, according to the news I read, abortion regulations will depend on the week of pregnancy, I really don't support giving up life at 7 or 8 months of pregnancy. Anyone who has ever had a child will understand what a sin it is to abandon a child.

In general there are many issues to discuss in the election but as bitcoin investors, we should support those who support bitcoin instead of voting for those who are against us.

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There's no better quote that can be related to this than the quoted text that OP has shared. Thanks for sharing.

This is also the reason why I don't like to see Bitcoin's price increasing because of these politicians because at the end of the day, we don't know their TRUE intentions, and they might only be using Bitcoin for their own sake. We know that these politicians have 2 personas. 1 is being selfish where they want to implement anything that they want, and there's another one which is them becoming sweet talkers when election comes.

Many might hate Trump and his way of campaigning himself, but looking at his opponent/s, I don't think that there's anybody that comes close to him. We know that he will win in the upcoming elections with or without Bitcoin. I guess let's just look at it as a good thing that he's promoting Bitcoin for his own sake hence, affects the price. At the end of the day, it's a win-win for us investors, and for him.
That is true, they are just doing it to get more votes and that's it, nothing more than that. You can see a lot of people all around the internet, famous people or not so famous people, sharing their ideas to get love and attention.

Trump is just another one of those, a person who is hungry for love and attention, and meanwhile if he gets hate which causes him to get more love then he can be hated by some people to get more love from some others. If it means getting super hate from democrats that results with republicans even loving him more, then that's fine with him.

Elon Musk is the same way, we always knew what kind of person he was and we just ignored it because it didn't impact anyone, and yet it started to impact people so he is annoying a lot of people as well. These two dwerps are causing crypto to not get loved by certain part of the world and anyone who hates them and sees them loving crypto may by proxy hate crypto as well. We need to realize that politicians causing crypt to go up is not something permanent, tomorrow if they decide it is not working anymore or they do not need them anymore, we could consider how it could make a change for them and just switch up and hate it too.

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August 03, 2024, 07:32:35 PM
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So interesting to know this truth that the politicians are not our tribe, we only owe them our vote in which we must also ensure that we cast it on our preferred candidate whom we trust and believe could deliver, of which part of the expectation we want is in seeing them going by their words and allowing for bitcoin adoption as expectation in creating a well enabling environment for the people to use bitcoin as they will want to have it on every aspect of the economy.

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First of all, I will start by saying that the politicians will never stop being who they are regardless of the party they represent they all are the same. In my country Nigeria, I think one presidential candidate used Bitcoin to campaign in the last election he promised to welcome Bitcoin investment and traders if elected as the president but the youth didn't support him because they saw the lies in his speech.

The race is now in the presidential election in the US and political parties and their candidates are using Bitcoin as their biggest support system to win the heart of the citizens, don't you think they know the truth about the importance of Bitcoin to the economy even though they are always kicking against Bitcoin, I do not believe that American citizens will elect someone as her president and forget to remind him of his promises. Let's try Trump this time let's see if he will go against his words.

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First of all, I will start by saying that the politicians will never stop being who they are regardless of the party they represent they all are the same. In my country Nigeria, I think one presidential candidate used Bitcoin to campaign in the last election he promised to welcome Bitcoin investment and traders if elected as the president but the youth didn't support him because they saw the lies in his speech.

The race is now in the presidential election in the US and political parties and their candidates are using Bitcoin as their biggest support system to win the heart of the citizens, don't you think they know the truth about the importance of Bitcoin to the economy even though they are always kicking against Bitcoin, I do not believe that American citizens will elect someone as her president and forget to remind him of his promises. Let's try Trump this time let's see if he will go against his words.
One thing to note is that politicians are likely to administer speech that sounds enticing to the ear and satisfaction to what the people hoped for, politicians understands the very weakness of the people where they can hold as an advantage. As of now Trump is having the upper hand because of his positive deliberations on how to adopt Bitcoin, now comparing to another candidate who publicly display unaffection towards Bitcoin. Trump made the speech and all left is to accept with good faith and vote for whom any feel is worth the power but accepting the Bitcoin community means getting a huge support during the election.

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August 03, 2024, 09:20:42 PM
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First of all, I will start by saying that the politicians will never stop being who they are regardless of the party they represent they all are the same. In my country Nigeria, I think one presidential candidate used Bitcoin to campaign in the last election he promised to welcome Bitcoin investment and traders if elected as the president but the youth didn't support him because they saw the lies in his speech.

The race is now in the presidential election in the US and political parties and their candidates are using Bitcoin as their biggest support system to win the heart of the citizens, don't you think they know the truth about the importance of Bitcoin to the economy even though they are always kicking against Bitcoin, I do not believe that American citizens will elect someone as her president and forget to remind him of his promises. Let's try Trump this time let's see if he will go against his words.
One thing to note is that politicians are likely to administer speech that sounds enticing to the ear and satisfaction to what the people hoped for, politicians understands the very weakness of the people where they can hold as an advantage. As of now Trump is having the upper hand because of his positive deliberations on how to adopt Bitcoin, now comparing to another candidate who publicly display unaffection towards Bitcoin. Trump made the speech and all left is to accept with good faith and vote for whom any feel is worth the power but accepting the Bitcoin community means getting a huge support during the election.

You are not far from the truth, the politicians knows exactly the right strategy to apply to win the interest of the masses but regardless of what we have seen happened in the past and how the politicians has used their sugar-coated words to win the heart of the people and achieved their aims I think it will be a shameful thing if Trump fails to do as he has promised if elected as the next president of America.

Believing that Americans can stand up to drag Trump if he gains to fulfil his promises I still think the citizens has the right to elect whom they believed to be the most credible candidate among the candidates.

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I agree with the quote in a sense that politicians are not to be trusted. But honestly, when it comes to the US elections, I think that even casting a vote for Trump just because of him suddenly deciding to become pro-Bitcoin (let's not forget how anti-Bitcoin he used to be in the past) is too much. Choosing the President is about so much more than Bitcoin. It's about major policies and priorities. What does the candidate plan to do in terms of foreign policy, and what are his/her domestic priorities? What's the view on tackling climate change, on migration, on the level of social support a state should or shouldn't provide? If the candidate's positions on those issues are close to your own, it makes sense to vote for that person. Being pro-crypto, anti-crypto, or neutral to cryptos can be another factor alongside the aforementioned ones at best, but it should not be the sole point that informs how to cast the vote.

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There is no way we can verify the true intentions of these sweet talkers.

But the greatest and the most truthful message came from Edward Snowden  and it reads:

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“Cast a vote, but don’t join a cult". “They are not our tribe. They are not your personality. They have their own interests, their own values, their own things they’re chasing. Try to get what you need from them, but don’t give yourself to them, even if you have to vote for them.”
You made a nice point here, politicians are just sweet talkers which you will never know their true intentions they make empty promises to make you believe all what they said. perhaps non seems to be true. The most touching message is that of Edward Snowden which you provided the link above, it's actually true that we should cast the Volt but don't join the cult, they are not our tribe is a great message. Who knows the true intentions of Donald Trump perhaps we shall all know if he is luckly elected, otherwise politicians are more of this

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First of all, I will start by saying that the politicians will never stop being who they are regardless of the party they represent they all are the same. In my country Nigeria, I think one presidential candidate used Bitcoin to campaign in the last election he promised to welcome Bitcoin investment and traders if elected as the president but the youth didn't support him because they saw the lies in his speech.

The race is now in the presidential election in the US and political parties and their candidates are using Bitcoin as their biggest support system to win the heart of the citizens, don't you think they know the truth about the importance of Bitcoin to the economy even though they are always kicking against Bitcoin, I do not believe that American citizens will elect someone as her president and forget to remind him of his promises. Let's try Trump this time let's see if he will go against his words.
One thing to note is that politicians are likely to administer speech that sounds enticing to the ear and satisfaction to what the people hoped for, politicians understands the very weakness of the people where they can hold as an advantage. As of now Trump is having the upper hand because of his positive deliberations on how to adopt Bitcoin, now comparing to another candidate who publicly display unaffection towards Bitcoin. Trump made the speech and all left is to accept with good faith and vote for whom any feel is worth the power but accepting the Bitcoin community means getting a huge support during the election.

They usually became more friendly to people when election is coming and we should be more careful on the promises they say since they are professional for always telling a lie and once those jerks win they forget everything what they promise to people. So its maybe more better not give to much hope regarding on their promise to make certain country especially in USA to became a bitcoin friendly nation. Since maybe they just want to be relevant for a while and catch the votes of people.

We could only believe on them if they show seriousness on what they promise and once they win they implement a law that can help bitcoin to became legal in their country. Maybe with that we can say that they are really true to their words.

Hopefully next year we can see bitcoin to have a good run and will have good adoption on powerful countries.

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