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August 31, 2024, 05:44:23 PM
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Rights are inherent in human beings. In law, they have to be written and added, and then adjudicated to be acceptable, and to 'whom' they apply.

Depending on who or what the non-person is, it could be murder. The decision/adjudication is made by humans, but it is written about as though it were persons.


Okay. Then why make the distinction you were making above? You said the state must dub you "person" before you are subject to the dominion's laws.

If a person can be a person with respect to the law even though they don't have a birth certificate, then why does it matter what is on their birth certificate, or even whether they have one?



By lack of understanding of the populace. Few people recognize the difference between a person and a man/woman. As long as nobody knows, government gets to do anything with people that they want.

A good examples is this. When a man and woman get together and make a baby, whose property is that baby? Almost 100% of the time, the man and woman aren't forced to get together to make that baby. So, nobody else can call that baby theirs. It belongs to the parents until it is of legal age - 18 to 21 depending on the State.

The point is, how can government force the parents to send the child to school? Where is the legal authority for government to do that? Doesn't the child belong to the parents? How does government get enough ownership to require formal schooling for the child? If lawmakers make a law to that effect, why don't they make binding laws to take all the rest of your property? Think about it.

There has to be an agreement for government to take or direct the usage of your property. At least this is so in the US. Where is that agreement if not the birth certificate? Let's see the signature of the parents on that other agreement.

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August 31, 2024, 07:06:26 PM
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Okay. Then why make the distinction you were making above? You said the state must dub you "person" before you are subject to the dominion's laws.

If a person can be a person with respect to the law even though they don't have a birth certificate, then why does it matter what is on their birth certificate, or even whether they have one?

By lack of understanding of the populace. [...]

None of this answered the question about whether a birth certificate determines whether a person has rights or not.

In the post above you implied that without a birth certificate, the laws do not apply to somebody. Is that the case or not?



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August 31, 2024, 08:07:58 PM
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Okay. Then why make the distinction you were making above? You said the state must dub you "person" before you are subject to the dominion's laws.

If a person can be a person with respect to the law even though they don't have a birth certificate, then why does it matter what is on their birth certificate, or even whether they have one?

By lack of understanding of the populace. [...]

None of this answered the question about whether a birth certificate determines whether a person has rights or not.

In the post above you implied that without a birth certificate, the laws do not apply to somebody. Is that the case or not?


Can't really tell what you mean by your use of the word 'person'.

If 'person' means words written on paper, it only has rights according to what is written about it on that paper. But maybe not even then... at least not until a human authenticates it.

If 'person' means a man or woman... rights are inherent in every person as long as he/she harms nobody, and doesn't damage any property not belonging to himself/herself.

If you can't answer your own question from this, then you must be a person in the first instance, with no rights at all... at least, not until a human authenticates you.

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August 31, 2024, 08:28:17 PM
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I believe there should be limits to what minors should be allowed to do. When an adult becomes sexually attracted to a minor, the society frowns at it because it is believed that the minor does not have the mental capacity to give consent. Gender transition is something an individual needs to think through before proceeding with it. Children undergo different growth processes and at each stage, their taste, personality and how they see life might be affected. At that point, any wrong decision made may live with them for a lifetime.

I can recall how as a child I wished to be so many things which I ended up not being. Right now as an adult, I wouldn't consider being any of those things I wished to be as a child. If I am in the position to make and implement this law, I will criminalize gender transition surgery on all minors with or without the consent of their parents. They should be adults first and then we can be sure they actually consented to it themselves.

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August 31, 2024, 08:47:20 PM
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I believe there should be limits to what minors should be allowed to do. When an adult becomes sexually attracted to a minor, the society frowns at it because it is believed that the minor does not have the mental capacity to give consent. Gender transition is something an individual needs to think through before proceeding with it. Children undergo different growth processes and at each stage, their taste, personality and how they see life might be affected. At that point, any wrong decision made may live with them for a lifetime.

I can recall how as a child I wished to be so many things which I ended up not being. Right now as an adult, I wouldn't consider being any of those things I wished to be as a child. If I am in the position to make and implement this law, I will criminalize gender transition surgery on all minors with or without the consent of their parents. They should be adults first and then we can be sure they actually consented to it themselves.

This is a complicated issue. One dimension is the medical safety of the treatment, the effectiveness, and the proper prescription of it. In other words, is this the right thing to do for somebody's health. The State regulates drugs and medical procedures all of the time along these lines, and the answer is a scientific one--but science isn't always fully settled, and I believe there is a lot we still don't know about human gender in a very specific physiological way.

The next dimension is parental consent. Laws around children are nuanced and never very exact because the status of a child is partially that of a full legal person and partially that of property of the parents--a child is not afforded the same rights as an adult, but they still have some rights as a person. The middle ground here is cause for lots of laws to be very vague, and often lead to bad outcomes no matter what they say because no single rule can handle every situation.

Both of these things together basically amount to: no matter what law you put on the books, it's probably going to be wrong.

The third--and unwelcome--dimension for this issue is the vile bigotry you see displayed by some posters on this thread. Some people, it seems, feel that all gay people must die, and they seem to feel very strongly about that. And they all vote Republican in hopes that they can enforce their feelings with the law Smiley.

Hence this is a complicated issue to begin with, and then bigoted emotion enters into the discussion and blows away any chance of there being anything close to rational in many jurisdictions.

My own view here is to do what Americans have always done in this situation and make the default position to be freedom. In other words, if we aren't sure what law will work, then let individuals decide.




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