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September 26, 2024, 09:23:34 AM
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The DCA strategy is similar to the buy and hold method, meaning investors can buy Bitcoin and then hold it for the long term. Simply put, DCA is an investment strategy that aims to minimize the impact of price volatility when investing, such as reducing risk. When using this method, investors do not need to deposit large amounts of funds at once, but gradually. Investors will also avoid FOMO because they do not need to make decisions emotionally for fear of missing the moment or losing. The convenience offered by DCA can help novice investors in collecting Bitcoin because the way it works is almost the same as saving, investors who use DCA will get satisfactory returns and even have small risks.

Yeah, spot on.

Basically it's in the name, DCA stands for dollar cost averaging, which means that you will get lower highs but also higher lows. A more moderate approach.

In contrast, lump sum basically takes all the available fiat from the period and buys in a single instance. This means you will get higher highs, but also lower lows. High risk approach.

In reality, most people don't have a lump sum to invest, so DCA is the most common approach by far.

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September 26, 2024, 10:19:51 AM
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Btw, in my opinion BTC is still in the category of interesting and profitable investments. Of course, the capacity of funds owned by a person is also different. In addition, users of this method are also required to be consistent and sustainable in its application. The conclusion that I can draw, if we focus on investing in BTC with any technique in adding to the burden I am sure there is no such thing as wasted words.
Being consistent and persistent shows dedication to the investment, yet surely sometimes people have problems with their cashflow and/or they have problems with their will power.. So there is ONLY so much that can be done in terms of whether people continue to invest or not.. or whether they choose to invest into bitcoin aggressively or whimpily.
Yes, most of the investors are forced to end their aggressive journey midway and deprive themselves of huge profits due to lack of proper management of valuable assets.
And surely, our backup funds should go beyond just our emergency fund, and how much we need to keep for various back up funds likely relates to our various ways that we spend money or how complicated our expenses and/or our cashflow might be. 

Give me time to become more educated and I thought that the need to distinguish between backup funds and floating cash was not important. So we must prioritize these two funds for investment which can positively influence the long term trend of investment. It can be a bit difficult for newbie or low income investors to manage two funds simultaneously. However, I think it would be advisable to keep the backup fund for a maximum of 6 months and the floating cash fund should be for a maximum of 1 year. Later, as their financial situation improves, they can increase the amount of their cash fund proportionally with the increase in Bitcoin in the portfolio.

But if they follow the DCA method regularly with a proper action plan and make a logical combination of Bitcoins with strong real assets along with forming a backup fund, the chances of getting a decent portfolio would be greatly increased.

In order to have strong cashflow management skills, there is no reason to invest in other assets besides bitcoin and cash.. especially for beginners.  For beginners, the most important thing is cashflow management - not asset management, so don't be getting mixed up into bullshit ideas that there are needs to invest beyond bitcoin and cash... at least in the beginning. 

Yes it is very important that a newbie investor should give more importance to cash flow as with discretionary income they will accumulate bitcoins regularly and should continue this process until the stack size is decent. An investor should opt for asset management at the next level of decent holdings. I totally agree with you because an investor's abundance of wealth depends on adequate holdings.


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September 26, 2024, 04:06:38 PM
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Btw, in my opinion BTC is still in the category of interesting and profitable investments. Of course, the capacity of funds owned by a person is also different. In addition, users of this method are also required to be consistent and sustainable in its application. The conclusion that I can draw, if we focus on investing in BTC with any technique in adding to the burden I am sure there is no such thing as wasted words.
Being consistent and persistent shows dedication to the investment, yet surely sometimes people have problems with their cashflow and/or they have problems with their will power.. So there is ONLY so much that can be done in terms of whether people continue to invest or not.. or whether they choose to invest into bitcoin aggressively or whimpily.
Yes, most of the investors are forced to end their aggressive journey midway and deprive themselves of huge profits due to lack of proper management of valuable assets.
And surely, our backup funds should go beyond just our emergency fund, and how much we need to keep for various back up funds likely relates to our various ways that we spend money or how complicated our expenses and/or our cashflow might be. 

Give me time to become more educated and I thought that the need to distinguish between backup funds and floating cash was not important. So we must prioritize these two funds for investment which can positively influence the long term trend of investment. It can be a bit difficult for newbie or low income investors to manage two funds simultaneously. However, I think it would be advisable to keep the backup fund for a maximum of 6 months and the floating cash fund should be for a maximum of 1 year. Later, as their financial situation improves, they can increase the amount of their cash fund proportionally with the increase in Bitcoin in the portfolio.

It may not really matter so much what we call the various kinds of back up funds, except to try to communicate some of our ideas with some level of understanding, and if you put the ideas into practice then it might start to make more sense why we might have various kinds of back up funds.  Surely anyone who is managing their own finances (which might even still apply when living with your parents) should be learning how to categorize differing kinds of priorities, determining monthly income versus monthly expenses, and yeah maybe some additional complication comes from investing into something like bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer since there would be some needs to be able to put the money aside and not to think about it for a long time.  Sure you can look at it and analyze it, yet it seems that to really get the value out of the investment in terms of also considering it as a long term investment, there should not be any need to tap into it while it is still being built, and surely in traditional systems it tends to take 30-40 years or more to get to fuck you status (which means that you would be able to quit your job and live off of your investment), and so with bitcoin there could be some abilities to cut that time in half to 15-20 years, yet it still tends to take a long time to build an investment, build good habits and to resist tapping into the good investments or trying to trade the good investments (such as bitcoin). 

Even if the bitcoin investor might not necessarily be looking to getting to fuck you status, there seems to be values in regards to building a bitcoin investment over many years of one or two cycles or more rather than merely thinking of playing the investment wave with it.

Maybe I can try to clarify the terms..?  There are various kinds of back up funds, which is emergency funds, reserve funds and cash float.

Emergency funds should be something that you do not tap into absent a real emergency such as loss of income and/or unexpected increase in expenses, and they should be at least three months of expenses.

Reserve funds would be funds that could be tapped into or even set aside for various reasons, and they could be or should be used prior to tapping into emergency funds.

Cash float is merely various amounts of money that you might keep from month to month that carry you over within the month when you might not be sure exactly about your exact expenses or your exact income amounts

If you are new to investing, you might not have very good cash management practices, and they might not even be necessary, so many normal people who do not invest may well ONLY keep between about 2 weeks and 4 weeks of extra cash cushion, yet when you invest in something long term and so volatile as bitcoin, I would think that it becomes a priority not to tap into the bitcoin investment for any reason except completely of your own choosing, and so even when bitcoin is going up and down in the first 4-ish years of investing, it could become tempting to tap into it, yet it may well not be a good idea, especially if you are trying to build it to get up to some kind of a meaningful size, which like I suggested could take a quite a long time to get there for most normal folks. .and they may well never get there if they are not engaging in good practices to continue to be building their bitcoin investment by ongoingly buying it, especially in their first cycle or two.

Sure there could be some exceptions of guys who are able to build their bitcoin investment faster and able to front load their bitcoin investment,  yet most commonly those are going to be folks who might have already been investing for a while, rather than a brand new investor more likely would be mostly working from his cashflows and trying to increase his income and to keep his expenses under some kind of meaningful control in order to allow himself to invest at the level of aggressiveness that is comfortable to him.

But if they follow the DCA method regularly with a proper action plan and make a logical combination of Bitcoins with strong real assets along with forming a backup fund, the chances of getting a decent portfolio would be greatly increased.
In order to have strong cashflow management skills, there is no reason to invest in other assets besides bitcoin and cash.. especially for beginners.  For beginners, the most important thing is cashflow management - not asset management, so don't be getting mixed up into bullshit ideas that there are needs to invest beyond bitcoin and cash... at least in the beginning. 
Yes it is very important that a newbie investor should give more importance to cash flow as with discretionary income they will accumulate bitcoins regularly and should continue this process until the stack size is decent. An investor should opt for asset management at the next level of decent holdings. I totally agree with you because an investor's abundance of wealth depends on adequate holdings.

You are still implying that there is some kind of need for various assets besides bitcoin and cash, which truly is not the case for beginners. If you happen to have other assets besides bitcoin and cash then yeah you might need to account for those other assets, yet if you are referring to fucking around with shitcoins, then you are likely bringing your own level of complications, which is not necessary.  it seems that earlier you had referred to physical assets, and you were suggesting that there was some kind of need to manage such things, and yeah, if you already own some other assets, then you might need to consider how to manage them, but if you don't already have them, then I see no reason to be getting worried about managing any assets beyond just bitcoin and cash, at least not for your first cycle or maybe even your first couple of cycles.. Sure at some point, maybe you bitcoin stash and even the amount of cash that you are managing might justify that you start to put some cash in other investments, perhaps properties, equities, bonds, commodities and/or cash/cash equivalents, yet those are not beginner level requirements, and even someone investing $100 to $200 per week (or maybe 10% or more of his discretionary income) into bitcoin might still take 5 years or longer just to get to the point that he had invested a whole year's income into bitcoin.

Ultimately each person has to figure out for himself when he might start to feel that he has too much allocation into either bitcoin and/or cash and if there is some needs to invest in other assets.

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September 26, 2024, 08:02:19 PM
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If you want to make a profit by investing in Bitcoin, you must have experience with Bitcoin and always analyze the market.  You need to analyze more things for investment, especially using DCA method in your investment, though it may not give you much profit, but it will reduce your risk of loss. Also, I think if you are interested in investment then definitely get good knowledge about DCA and you save a certain amount and invest it. Also, if you are having trouble understanding, then I think you need to go to this place to learn about DCA and investing. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132720.0


Of course and all need a process for us to get profit and it is not something that happens overnight. Btw, in my opinion BTC is still in the category of interesting and profitable investments. Of course, the capacity of funds owned by a person is also different. In addition, users of this method are also required to be consistent and sustainable in its application. The conclusion that I can draw, if we focus on investing in BTC with any technique in adding to the burden I am sure there is no such thing as wasted words.
For you to be able to make fine profit in DCA method of investing you need to be consistent with your investment, consistency is not what is hard to put in practice in the DCA method because you do not need to invest with the amount of money that will be a burden to you financially, but just with the fund you can afford. In DCA method you don't need to save money to invest, you can as well invest the smallest amount of money that you can afford at the moment, no need stressing yourself to save up a certain amount of money before you can invest in bitcoin.

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September 26, 2024, 08:17:38 PM
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Yes it is very important that a newbie investor should give more importance to cash flow as with discretionary income they will accumulate bitcoins regularly and should continue this process until the stack size is decent. An investor should opt for asset management at the next level of decent holdings. I totally agree with you because an investor's abundance of wealth depends on adequate holdings.


Actually, it doesn't need to be that complicated because in the end when we start to invest, it is certain that as much as possible we already have a plan and process for how the investment goes well, especially for a beginner who sometimes doesn't even think too much because the mindset of most beginners is actually quite simple where they will only buy without caring too much in terms of bitcoin prices or the current situation, so that when they already have an allocation to invest they will immediately buy it without thinking too long.

As for when talking about cash flow, it should have been arranged from the start because it is actually quite simple in this case when we have managed the money well then we have got a budget of how many percent we will allocate or to be used as an investment that we will do. So in this case when the allocation that we want to do, for example, is around 10 percent or it could be more or less depending on readiness, then there is definitely a picture that we will do later. for discretionary needs that you alluded to, actually it can follow because in the end the need depends on your lifestyle and is not a reference in investing in the end even though this will be able to disrupt the course of investment that you do when your needs and lifestyle are too excessive.

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For you to be able to make fine profit in DCA method of investing you need to be consistent with your investment, consistency is not what is hard to put in practice in the DCA method because you do not need to invest with the amount of money that will be a burden to you financially, but just with the fund you can afford. In DCA method you don't need to save money to invest, you can as well invest the smallest amount of money that you can afford at the moment, no need stressing yourself to save up a certain amount of money before you can invest in bitcoin.
In fact, I think the biggest problem with DCA investing is that consistency doesn't work very well and many people fail because of consistency issues.
Sometimes in doing this scheme we always try to take excessive actions such as when doing it without thinking by giving a large enough budget from the beginning which ultimately disrupts you in investing.
In addition, the initial planning that is less mature may make you unable to be consistent in the DCA work done. Although in this case maybe when someone has planned it well it can be consistent when doing DCA but in the end things that are considered not a problem can actually interfere and make this a big problem so we cannot underestimate this especially since consistency is a fairly crucial part of doing this strategy.











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September 26, 2024, 08:46:56 PM
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For you to be able to make fine profit in DCA method of investing you need to be consistent with your investment, consistency is not what is hard to put in practice in the DCA method because you do not need to invest with the amount of money that will be a burden to you financially, but just with the fund you can afford.
To be honest, being consistent in doing DCA is a tough one to maintain. Not all are able to keep on going with DCA because of many circumstances and that's why whoever does this in the past and are still doing right now, that's a sign that person is doing better now.

In DCA method you don't need to save money to invest, you can as well invest the smallest amount of money that you can afford at the moment, no need stressing yourself to save up a certain amount of money before you can invest in bitcoin.
Just think of it as an actual savings that goes directly to investing if you are buying Bitcoin. The attitude you put into it and by being consistent will make you profitable in the long run.

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For you to be able to make fine profit in DCA method of investing you need to be consistent with your investment, consistency is not what is hard to put in practice in the DCA method because you do not need to invest with the amount of money that will be a burden to you financially, but just with the fund you can afford. In DCA method you don't need to save money to invest, you can as well invest the smallest amount of money that you can afford at the moment, no need stressing yourself to save up a certain amount of money before you can invest in bitcoin.

That's why a new investor should adopt some more strategies, because he has to take the initial risk and buy Bitcoin first. And after that he will spend the basic expenses of his family and buy bitcoins with the money left over. In this way, if the investment can be sustained for a long time, then it will definitely be successful, but remember that if a new investor follows the DCA method, he will not be deprived in any way but will be successful. 
But it can only be successful by holding for a long time, in which an investor can accumulate the most bitcoins while keeping his investment properly. Because it will reduce the purchase price, if there are signs of an uptrend in the current market, there will also be Bitcoin buying controls.

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That's why a new investor should adopt some more strategies, because he has to take the initial risk and buy Bitcoin first. And after that he will spend the basic expenses of his family and buy bitcoins with the money left over. In this way, if the investment can be sustained for a long time, then it will definitely be successful, but remember that if a new investor follows the DCA method, he will not be deprived in any way but will be successful. 
But it can only be successful by holding for a long time, in which an investor can accumulate the most bitcoins while keeping his investment properly. Because it will reduce the purchase price, if there are signs of an uptrend in the current market, there will also be Bitcoin buying controls.
I don't think that's the right direction to start investing.
If you want to explore more details on effective ways to start investing in Bitcoin, you can visit the JJG thread and here is the link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5376945.msg58719590#msg58719590

So before starting to invest, make sure we already have a job with a regular income every month because with a regular income, you have a cash flow that you can set aside for various divisions that you want to do, for example for daily living needs, for investment and also dividing it for emergency funds.

I also don't understand what you mean about controlling purchases, you have to take it simply if you want to apply DCA. You don't need to think about analyzing price movements because DCA does not depend on the price when you buy it. Success or not depends on each individual because obstacles are always there throughout the investment we make, of course the obstacles are none other than how you continue to hold Bitcoin.

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