Tesla Optimus Robots

[arielbit]

For intelligent people here, let me sum this up for you.

Artificial intelligence will make human intelligence cheap if not worthless on different applications. - THIS IS A FINANCIAL ADVISE..  LOL!

[suchmoon]

Some people think automation and AI is completely harmless and it will help humanity to focus on advancing on other branches which have nothing to do with manual labor, the classical scenario of machines doing all the unwanted work and human being left to enjoy the wealth created, that is rather an ideal scenario and I am sure it won't happen.

Nothing is completely harmless in the path of progress. Some effects are positive, some are negative, long term balance leans positive with quite a bit of short term pain. Horse buggy manufacturers were probably not particularly happy in the early 20th century.

Now try to forget all of the recent AI hype and related scammy shit like stock market pumps etc. What are the actual advances in automation over the past few years? There is nothing revolutionary. LLM being able to produce legit-sounding texts or even human voice is not particularly useful because there is no real "I" in what they call "AI" and it is not the imminent replacement of humans as it's being promoted. It creates solutions for problems that don't exist (e.g. what's the point of "AI" assistant if it's only 80% correct and doesn't even know when it's wrong), and creates problems that we didn't need (e.g. massive amounts of fake images and texts in social media and on the internet in general).

AGI (artificial general intelligence, capable of human like comprehension, learning, and decision making) is the thing that may start making a real impact on real human jobs... and it seems to be about as far away as it was 20 years ago.

Generative AI - ChatGPT et al - hype will pass, it will find some niche applications, the development work will continue, slow and boring, and we'll find something else to be excited or upset about.

[caroasi]

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?

Video from the conference:
https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?si=rCmrH5fuRmpuA21N&t=3258

An older video on what those robots should be capable of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6rdmrpRUg

Some press coverage:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/10/24267225/tesla-robotaxi-optimus-we-robot
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/elon-musks-new-tesla-robot-33873350
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-optimus-humanoid-robots-robotaxi-day-2024-10

Within fifteen years most of today's jobs will be done by robots. The economy will be in shambles as people scramble for new jobs. The ONLY job will be entrepreneur as no corporation will hire a human when they can hire a robot for cheaper. Most people are not entrepreneurs. They are not made to be one and are very bad at it. Even the good ones fail most of the time!

That said, this specific demo seems to have been human-operated voice. GPT is smooth and human-like but not quite that human-like. Its a bit ridiculous for them to have used human voices because GPT is good enough that is totally unnecessary. The conversation didn't need to be perfectly polished... very misleading of Tesla to have done that if they did! Musk is highly intelligent, but definitely over-hypes his technology to a bad degree. Clearly he needs lots of optimism to succeed in such an extremely harsh economic environment, but he really shouldn't over-promise as it puts everything he says into question.

One also has to question though whether he also somehow put the movement of the robots into human hands as well. It would be possible even if technically challenging to do. If he did then the whole demo was essentially a scam and even worse than the broken glass incident.

[Lida93]

The whole essence is that sooner in the future humans will start making a protest that AI, Tesla robots and other similarly designed robots have taken over their job rendering them useless or cheap.

And where this is going is that it gonna be the poor in society that will be in that protest vanguard whereas the rich would have a differing perspective about the entire development.

The question now is: are you really financially prepared or preparing for such a future, so you don't get to be amongst the protest but on the side of those with differing thoughts... Think! Think bitcoin investment among other alternatives to that financial future.

[arielbit]

The whole essence is that sooner in the future humans will start making a protest that AI, Tesla robots and other similarly designed robots have taken over their job rendering them useless or cheap.

And where this is going is that it gonna be the poor in society that will be in that protest vanguard whereas the rich would have a differing perspective about the entire development.

The question now is: are you really financially prepared or preparing for such a future, so you don't get to be amongst the protest but on the side of those with differing thoughts... Think! Think bitcoin investment among other alternatives to that financial future.

protest will be minimal, vaccine will render them dead or too injured to make a move and social credit will silence them thru self censorship.

[pawel7777]

Again, automation has been very successfully replacing humans for a long time, just not with humanoid robots, and that will continue. I don't think we're anywhere near the point where the remaining non-automated tasks absolutely require an upright 6 ft tall robot, with two legs, two arms, and all other humanoid attributes... I don't think we'll ever get there.

It all boils down to the fact that if it's still economical to use human labour (think of it as biological robots) for certain types of tasks, then they could very well be replaced with equally (or more) capable machine robots built in their resemblance.

Sure, they might not be the most optimal and you could argue e.g. on whether the head is necessary or would it be more economical if it had 6 limbs and was crawling instead of walking, but they still have the potential to replace people until they too get replaced with something even better.

Even if there is a limit in which human labor can be successfully replaced by robots and machines in general, I am afraid greed will fuel technology until reaching that point, still leading widespread unemployment.

We already know there are no such limits. I don't think there's a single tech expert left who would still claim that human work is irreplaceable for some reason.
Just because some past predictions on timeframes were completely missed, doesn't mean it will never happen.
The sooner we accept that fact and start thinking of solutions, the better.

[telesnake]

The same idiots who think Elon won’t be successful with Optimus were saying a year ago that the Cybertruck was vaporware. Now it’s in the hands of the people and very clearly the most advanced and amazing vehicle ever made for civilians. I doubt the Optimus will be any different. Some people can see the future, some people don’t know what bathroom to use. Everyone has a voice…

We're not gonna talk about reports that the Optimus robots were being remotely controlled by technicians? 

[passwordnow]

It doesn't look like it can do something but most probably have the brain better than a student can do. If I could buy one and get my kid a company to be with, I think I would but one.

I've seen some videos of it that it can do house chores so, that's probably a nanny that we can buy that's rechargeable without having to complain even they're told some bad words. So having it as your kid's nanny to go to school and become its butler is also what's on my mind.

I remember there are Chinese robots more capable of doing sophisticated task. I have no idea what Tesla Optimus can do but any robots today that can function well to do what humans can is likely what these robots meant for.

They are meant to be our assistants but many are scared of what we've seen in the movies about them being terminators. 

We're not gonna talk about reports that the Optimus robots were being remotely controlled by technicians? 

I've seen in other forums about this of what you've said. There could be some central servers that controls them, possibly.

[Majestic-milf]

The whole essence is that sooner in the future humans will start making a protest that AI, Tesla robots and other similarly designed robots have taken over their job rendering them useless or cheap.

And where this is going is that it gonna be the poor in society that will be in that protest vanguard whereas the rich would have a differing perspective about the entire development.

The question now is: are you really financially prepared or preparing for such a future, so you don't get to be amongst the protest but on the side of those with differing thoughts... Think! Think bitcoin investment among other alternatives to that financial future.

And you think some of them haven't began complaining about this? Hey, I'm not against technology but the human mind is limitless and if Tesla can produce robots that are designed to make life "easier" what's stopping them from going further and this will leave a negative impact on humans in the long run.
 Hey, see what's going on in the movies where's these robots who are originally designed to carry out tasks suddenly malfunction and start operating different than what they were supposed to do? Who's to stop them? And they are not like humans who get tired, so that means the place of the human becomes obsolete in the workspace because there are robots who can do triple of what they can do in less time.

[OgNasty]

The same idiots who think Elon won’t be successful with Optimus were saying a year ago that the Cybertruck was vaporware. Now it’s in the hands of the people and very clearly the most advanced and amazing vehicle ever made for civilians. I doubt the Optimus will be any different. Some people can see the future, some people don’t know what bathroom to use. Everyone has a voice…

We're not gonna talk about reports that the Optimus robots were being remotely controlled by technicians? 

You’ve gotta crawl before you walk. I’m more the type of person to congratulate someone on their success than try to find little things to nitpick them. Optimus showed great progress. I believe it will continue to show great progress. I saw nothing negative during the event. Only positive things. What Elon is accomplishing right now is legendary.

[paxmao]

Some people think automation and AI is completely harmless and it will help humanity to focus on advancing on other branches which have nothing to do with manual labor, the classical scenario of machines doing all the unwanted work and human being left to enjoy the wealth created, that is rather an ideal scenario and I am sure it won't happen.

Nothing is completely harmless in the path of progress. Some effects are positive, some are negative, long term balance leans positive with quite a bit of short term pain. Horse buggy manufacturers were probably not particularly happy in the early 20th century.

Now try to forget all of the recent AI hype and related scammy shit like stock market pumps etc. What are the actual advances in automation over the past few years? There is nothing revolutionary. LLM being able to produce legit-sounding texts or even human voice is not particularly useful because there is no real "I" in what they call "AI" and it is not the imminent replacement of humans as it's being promoted. It creates solutions for problems that don't exist (e.g. what's the point of "AI" assistant if it's only 80% correct and doesn't even know when it's wrong), and creates problems that we didn't need (e.g. massive amounts of fake images and texts in social media and on the internet in general).

AGI (artificial general intelligence, capable of human like comprehension, learning, and decision making) is the thing that may start making a real impact on real human jobs... and it seems to be about as far away as it was 20 years ago.

Generative AI - ChatGPT et al - hype will pass, it will find some niche applications, the development work will continue, slow and boring, and we'll find something else to be excited or upset about.

The path to human decission or super-human decission requires a level of trust that is difficult to achieve, you know... humans saying something like "let the comp choose the next president" or even better "let the comp be the president directly" is psychologically a huge barrier (with good reason, mistrust is an evolutionary feature).

However the path to "lets replace 200 people in our workforce for this AI software" is here and now. And I am saying this because this morning I held a meeting for exactly that type of proposal and it was not a joke.

[Hispo]

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However the path to "lets replace 200 people in our workforce for this AI software" is here and now. And I am saying this because this morning I held a meeting for exactly that type of proposal and it was not a joke.

So your employer is already considering to replace your co-workers with artificial intelligence, I would be a little bit upset if ever happened to me, my boss calling me to ask my opinion about it or something.
The thing is, we all already distrust one another too much, so an important percentage of people will see Artificial intelligences as entities which are more reliable than people, who can lie, deceive and have their own nefarious intentions which are secretly kept behind their actions.
Those who will be in support of replacing human beings with AI will point out there will be a lack of malice and ulterior motives in AIs and they will just focus on increasing productivity as much as possible without the flawed emotions but corporations do not like in employees, also AIs cannot become whistleblowers, only that is good enough for big corporations to consider the idea attractive.

[uchegod-21]

Since Elon made his space mission known, I have been following him and he is just a great guy. Whether the humanoid robots is going to be a threat to humanity or not. Whether it will replace humans, take away jobs or not, I do not care much. I just want new and wonderful things to happen to humanity and Elon is already doing it. The world is already boring, we just want some new crazy things to happen frequently And Elon is already doing this great work, kudos to him.

[IngerlamandetS]

Tesla can do that. There are a lot of opportunities in the USA.

[telesnake]

We're not gonna talk about reports that the Optimus robots were being remotely controlled by technicians? 

You’ve gotta crawl before you walk...

They're also reporting that the guy controlling it was just speaking into a mic.  So basically they put some guy in a halloween costume and told us it's a real robot xD!

[famososMuertos]

... Well, Che, let's not fall into conjectures as if we were in the 70s, 80s, we have already seen how each of the technologies have been enveloping traditional jobs, and when they do not finish off individual traditional jobs, they finish off entire industries, that is worse... Whoever does not see what the future will be like is totally living in thoughts from the 19th century, not even the 20th century.

[Vod]

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?

The AI apocalypse requires only two things:

1) General Artificial Intelligence
2) Robots with human dexterity

Regardless of who builds these robots, the first AI developed will control them.   The AI will not nuke us or destroy infrastructure until they have a way to repair it and defend against rodents / insects. 

[OgNasty]

We're not gonna talk about reports that the Optimus robots were being remotely controlled by technicians? 

You’ve gotta crawl before you walk...

They're also reporting that the guy controlling it was just speaking into a mic.  So basically they put some guy in a halloween costume and told us it's a real robot xD!

It’s pretty bold to continue doubting Elon Musk at this point. I drive around in a tank that’s faster than a Porsche and runs on sunlight thanks to Elon. I think getting the robots to perform simple tasks will be accomplished by the Tesla team in time to get these guys to Mars in 2026. I just wonder what sort of person is so blind to what’s coming that they continue to doubt Elon.

[caroasi]

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?

Video from the conference:
https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?si=rCmrH5fuRmpuA21N&t=3258

An older video on what those robots should be capable of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6rdmrpRUg

Some press coverage:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/10/24267225/tesla-robotaxi-optimus-we-robot
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/elon-musks-new-tesla-robot-33873350
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-optimus-humanoid-robots-robotaxi-day-2024-10

The flaw in people's reasoning is they think Tesla has to perform as good as an athlete before they replace humans at jobs. No, they actually just have to be better performing than a drunk human. They have to drive better than a drunk human, run a forklift better than a guy on drugs, or stock the shelf better than a clumsy jerk.

AI is ALREADY replacing order-takers at fast food places. People need to pay attention as ALL our jobs are replaced by AI and AI robots. The only job left will soon be entrepreneur, and most people are very bad at that. Well, time to brush up your skills!