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May 04, 2025, 07:52:28 PM
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Yes high prices show's inflation but look the loans and credit that's all the money what is owned to banks from people and business enteties.

Even If there is low loan rates by fed or central banks the commercial bank rates are still % higher then money money is in the existing.

So in other words everbody owns more then money is in circlelation that makes money sacred and it has hidden deflation factor not inflation.
The value of money is high because debt can't be paid back never so that will make people to fight with each others over the few dollars eur or GBP to pay their debt.

But you need to pay back more then money are in the existince at all so by designe it's a scam and those who don't get money from others enough can't pay their debt+ % wich is more.

Yes central banks might lower rates but still you have to pay back more

Just look the UK mortgage rates they are higher then all the real money existing, so there is no inflation in UK and GBP in that sense is like GOLD or BTC limited supply and with high demand.

My GOLD and BTC are fiat currencies because there is demand for them to serve debts and tricky part is that there is not enough money to serve debts the weakest ones will lose only the strongest ones could serve their debts everbody looking for money as much they can to serve their debts also higher taxes takes a lot money out of the society from circlelation aswell and sending this money for example ukraine out of UK means more debt added to people but less actual money the currency is there so scaricity of currency.
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May 04, 2025, 09:01:23 PM
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My GOLD and BTC are fiat currencies because there is demand for them to serve debts and tricky part is that there is not enough money to serve debts the weakest ones will lose only the strongest ones could serve their debts everbody looking for money as much they can to serve their debts also higher taxes takes a lot money out of the society from circlelation aswell and sending this money for example ukraine out of UK means more debt added to people but less actual money the currency is there so scaricity of currency.


Before saying anything else we need to know what is fiat currency, according to wikipedia:
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Fiat money is a type of government-issued currency that is not backed by a precious metal, such as gold or silver, nor by any other tangible asset or commodity. Fiat currency is typically designated by the issuing government to be legal tender, and is authorized by government regulation. Since the end of the Bretton Woods system in 1976 by the Jamaica Accords, the major currencies in the world are fiat money.

the term government-issued currency signifies that Bitcoin and gold are not fiat currency, being called fiat currency does not need any demand, or the ability to purchase, it is called fiat currency because it is backed by the government and the government demand it to have value.

I do not know how could you create a scenario full of flaws and misunderstandings.  Like stating that due to debt there would be a scarcity of money thus deflation appears but it should not be termed that way, Wikipedia states deflations as:

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In economics, deflation is a decrease in the general price level of goods and services.[1] Deflation occurs when the inflation rate falls below 0% (a negative inflation rate). Inflation reduces the value of currency over time, but deflation increases it. This allows more goods and services to be bought than before with the same amount of currency. Deflation is distinct from disinflation, a slowdown in the inflation rate; i.e., when inflation declines to a lower rate but is still positive.[2]

So are the price of goods decreasing?  No, it continuously increasing instead,  this simply show the devaluing of currency thus inflation occur.
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May 04, 2025, 09:41:39 PM
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there is not enough money to serve debts
The FED and other countries are simply printing more money. This is how they battle the inflation so, I don't see where's the sense of what you're telling us about deflation. Inflation is real. Deflation is real but it's Bitcoin. It seems that you're trying to make things comfortable for yourself, that's fine since you've got BTC and gold. But you don't treat them as your fiat currencies, even if the way you use them is like that, you just can't have it by the way you're telling us because fiat is bound to inflate no matter what happens, it will slow down but won't deflate.


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May 04, 2025, 10:06:48 PM
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There is inflation and it's very high. A product you bought yesterday is more expensive today. A product you buy today will be more expensive tomorrow. Even access to basic necessities has become more difficult now. Salaries are low, inflation is high and life is harder. There are no low-interest loans, interest rates are high. The economy is in bad shape almost everywhere, both at the macro and micro level.
Either you failed to express what you meant with the right words, or you're explaining something incorrectly. Because what we're seeing is not deflation, but inflation everywhere.
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May 04, 2025, 10:19:41 PM
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If you have to pay back more while earning the same, then you can’t really call it deflation because your purchasing power is still limited.

And honestly, I don’t think prices will go down in a struggling country where inflation is already high.

So I’d rather stick to the simpler idea: when a country is struggling, inflation is usually high or rising.
Let’s just hope it doesn’t reach the point of hyperinflation.

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May 04, 2025, 11:42:04 PM
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Deflation is true in value terms but nominally we have alot of inflation and prices make that obvious.   I often think of this question and the confusion between the two, central banks are fearful of deflation as it makes debt worth more and harder to pay off.

Federal reserve is so scared of deflation they intend to always side with inflation by design, its too great a danger to ever risk.   They are probably quite correct if we see debt is larger then the GDP in the good times, its easily an overwhelming problem if any recession.

Ive heard many times over the years there is a scarcity of dollars in the world and I believe it but its contradictory to the idea of gigantic inflation.
  We dont have the velocity of money overall that would be most accurate, for example the giant Federal funds like pensions are actively buying up alot of the new treasury debt.  That debt will still turn into dollars even paper notes if you like but its on longer time scale.
  The true extent of how much value is lost in the dollar is not yet recognized and it will be very painful.   Dont lean on a fence post that's hollow from woodworm, there is no strength left it will collapse.

 
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May 05, 2025, 02:09:06 AM
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Price of goods says otherwise.
As long as M2 supply keep climbing in a fast manner inflation will always be there whether you believe it or not.

I mean, quite literally everyone around the world complains about how basic goods is climbing in price and purchasing power is decreasing.

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Op in which country exactly are you experiencing this deflationary economy because to everywhere I turn to its inflation of the prices of goods and services that I see. Prices are no more stable for a long period of time anymore than it were, even the banks gives loans with interest rates that are almost equivalent to the amount of loan you're requesting. It is due to the increasing inflation that people are commended to engage in multiple income sources to be able to meet up with responsibilities as a single source can't afford to accommodate the basic needs. So how's that deflation?

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May 05, 2025, 07:23:19 AM
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Inflation is the rate at which the price of goods and services increases.
Inflation  can occur in an economic system for various reasons, some of these reasons are-

🔸Mismatch between demand and supply  [High demand, low supply]
🔸When demand exceeds supply  [Low production, high demand]
🔸Increase in money supply and decrease in production  [Unplanned money supply]
🔸Due to changes in the demand side or the supply side or both.

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May 05, 2025, 08:34:21 AM
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My GOLD and BTC are fiat currencies because there is demand for them to serve debts and tricky part is
Gold is gold, and Bitcoin is Bitcoin, and none of them are fiat currencies by any reason or any tricky part.

You're wrong and did not understand what are gold, Bitcon and fiat currency.

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So in other words everbody owns more then money is in circlelation

This is called fractional reserve banking. Maybe you should read more about this term and what it means.

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My GOLD and BTC are fiat currencies

This sounds like complete nonsense to me. Please learn what the term "fiat currencies" actually means.

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But you need to pay back more then money are in the existince at all so by designe it's a scam and those who don't get money from others enough can't pay their debt+ % wich is more.

Nobody is forcing you to borrow money. If you don't want debts, just don't borrow money.
Inflation causes debt devaluation as well, so you are wrong about this.
OK, money(fiat) is a scam. Any idea about how to replace fiat money with something else? Gold? Silver? Bitcoin? Any altcoin? Do you have any plan about how to replace all fiat currencies around the world with crypto? I definitely can't come up with any good ideas about how to do this.

 
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