I left that feedback knowing it would probably lead to...

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

if are you talking about the old LoyceV, he is no more, RIP.

BitcoinGirl.Club has fallen from DT1 (Strength 9) 1.5 years ago to DT1 (Strength -8) now. If the whole world seems to be against you, chances are the problem is you.

The problem is, I am not a part of a gang. I do things alone, do whatever I think is good for the community, not driven my anything else. Thank you because it surprised me when I realized the -8 strength from +9 strength [I usually do not often see how I am doing at DT and my feedback page, these are not a major priority, I am not in this forum to gain power and bully with the earned power.].

I had to see what was the major blow that caused the mass exclusion [Data updated on 20th April 2024] and found out it was the stance that I made which exposed a part of the code of the mixer Jambler. The Code was enough to show[1] [2] that Jambler was advertising them as a mixing software [deceiving the spirit of mixers ban by theymos ] but in the core, Jambler itself is a mixing machine. hugeblack merited my posts. I can not remember how Royce got involved with it too.

Theymos realized his mistake and banned Jambler that effected icopress. There are no doubt that icopresss convinced his campaign members who were promoting Jambler that it's not a mixer but a mixing software with all BS. It was paying well so for them having working in Jambler campaign was profitable. Since icopress was their leader, convinced all, was the mastermind, he came with a legendary statement after suspending the campaign.

Friends, the campaign is likely to be suspended soon, for this you can thank Royce, BitcoinGirl.Club and hugeblack, who have been working hard over the past few days

I found out that there is already a topic about this mass exclusion.

Now let's check who were the member of this mass exclusion:
1. NEW cygan (Trust: +58 / =1 / -0) (6646 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +20 / =15 / -0) (DT1 (-12) 1216 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW NeuroticFish (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 5348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW jayce (Trust: +27 / =1 / -0) (501 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW TryNinja (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 6456 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW Hhampuz (Trust: +133 / =4 / -0) (5410 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW Trofo (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2422 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. NEW icopress (Trust: +56 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (24) 7751 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. NEW 1miau (Trust: +3 / =3 / -0) (6677 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. NEW BlackHatCoiner (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (4) 7233 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. NEW paid2 (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1984 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW apogio (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (935 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I can not be sure about Timelord2067, jayce, 1miau but Hhampuz was looking for an opportunity to ~me because he was annoyed with me. I was calling out Rollbit in many occasions for different scam accusations against Rollbit, I even denied to join Champions League Prediction pool because Rollbit was the sponsor. I can not remember why Trofo acted the same as the others. paid2 and apogio seems minions of icopress. The rest were campaign participants and were led by their financial damage that cause by banning Jambler.

There were more in the following weeks: stompix, cryptofrka [obviously he must have the same reason as Trofo], notblox1 [I am sure we had disagreements even before]. It seems the wave of exclusions continued for the next a few days.



Yes, there is the problem, when you are alone and there are people who works in groups. It's one vs many.

You are no different than those of the members. You are driven by your own interest. I don't expect any better from you anymore, you are sold, compromised [at-least that innocent mind you had, has gone]. You still failed to answer my only question that I left for you but gave many attempts to divert everything towards other directions just because you will have to admit that Vod's red tag is not endorsed by you that it was an abuse and a misuse of feedback practice.

[Trofo]

I can not remember why Trofo acted the same as the others.

I never enter these conversations unless tagged. That is probably my mistake but I just don't have the will to read trough all the drama usually.

I acted because I noticed a drastic change in your behavior. I did not pursue this further since I am not really interested in it but something happened either with you or your account. You made that change some time ago, I want to say few years but unsure about exact time and then there was some drama with your account. Everything with Jumbler was just the last drop to tip the glass for me. Jumbler itself wasn't the problem for me, it was more about your statements about other users which were very different than my own opinion. While timing was a bit unfortunate maybe, I believe my reasons were more than valid.

I remember having conversations across many sport pools with you before and they were always good natured banter. That part of your persona is almost extinct now while the other part that seeks confrontations has risen to the surface. I miss the old BitcoinGirl.Club, before nick change and all other stuff, whatever happened with him   Could be account changing hands, could be just life, I know my life is a lot more serious after getting baby girl, I simply don't know, but I know I liked you better before. I count you among friends from forum that I lost over the time, the only difference is that you are still writing here while some others like tomahawk or casperBGD are gone for good.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I can not remember why Trofo acted the same as the others.

I never enter these conversations unless tagged. That is probably my mistake but I just don't have the will to read trough all the drama usually.

I acted because I noticed a drastic change in your behavior. I did not pursue this further since I am not really interested in it but something happened either with you or your account. You made that change some time ago, I want to say few years but unsure about exact time and then there was some drama with your account. Everything with Jumbler was just the last drop to tip the glass for me. Jumbler itself wasn't the problem for me, it was more about your statements about other users which were very different than my own opinion. While timing was a bit unfortunate maybe, I believe my reasons were more than valid.

I remember having conversations across many sport pools with you before and they were always good natured banter. That part of your persona is almost extinct now while the other part that seeks confrontations has risen to the surface. I miss the old BitcoinGirl.Club, before nick change and all other stuff, whatever happened with him   Could be account changing hands, could be just life, I know my life is a lot more serious after getting baby girl, I simply don't know, but I know I liked you better before. I count you among friends from forum that I lost over the time, the only difference is that you are still writing here while some others like tomahawk or casperBGD are gone for good.

You expressed the similar feeling long time ago if I can remember a response for you. People change, 5 years ago me and you and 5 years after you and me are not the same. I lost interest from WO, I am not more a person who enjoy football too but Liverpool is always in the heart. An account can get hacked [unfortunately, it happened with me], but it can be recovered which I did though the account recovery team. The major incident that happened which you did not like from me was calling out Rollbit when Hhampuz declared they are going to the sponsor of Champions league pool. Rollbit had [not sure if it still exists] many scam accusations and several of them were legit at that time. So joining in a pool where a shady business was sponsoring was against my ethics. That's why I stood up and eventually I did not join the pool. Yes, many other like you did not like it.

Anyway, this is not the topic about all these but a topic about how Vod use his feedback to extort others and then continues his lies. Vod started it all when he wrote on my trust page that I will exit scam. Do you endorse the feedback?

Worried about this user - they may be planning an exit. They are attacking me for warning others of a large scam, while they have warned others of many smaller scams. Read other's feedback and trade with caution.

Do you endorse a feedback that left by a bully because I stood up against the bully who attacked two forum members [summary]?

[mindrust]

I see you haven’t lost any of your speed since Jambla, BitcoinGirl.Club. You have been making new enemies ever since. 

Let’s say for a moment what you said were right (i am ot here to tell who is right or wrong), all of them, does it matter?

These people already made up their minds about you and it doesn’t look like it will change anytime soon.

Even if you somehow win all the arguments against vod, loyce, and whoever you are debating with, I don’t think it will matter.

So what’s the point?

I don’t understand these decades long vendettas in this forum. All they generate more drama. What’s even worse, i don’t even want to favor either side because either side isn’t totally wrong.

The old dt system was better in this sense because once they painted you red, that was the end of the discussion. There weren’t any debates that took a fucking century to end. It was simpler, easy to understand. “Do not fuck with these guys” 

You harmed many people financially when you brought the jambla topic up. What were you expecting seriously? You expected a congrats from the community?

That’s the part you fail to see.

A wise man once said:

“It is always about the money.”

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Again with the money?

Yeah again with the money. It is over John.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

You harmed many people financially when you brought the jambla topic up. What were you expecting seriously? You expected a congrats from the community?

That’s the part you fail to see.

A wise man once said:

“It is always about the money.”

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Again with the money?

Yeah again with the money. It is over John.

I did not have anyone's harm in mind, I had the spirit in mind that theymos was working on protecting the forum and Jambler was risking it. The forum now is filled up with grouping, minions of these groups. They work together to achieve anything they want. It can be wining an argument, it can be destroying reputation of their target, it can be bullying. One attacks and others follow it. They work together. From a quick investigation you will see they have each others in their DT inclusion list, they have common people in their exclude list. Everything they do is to achieve their common goal. I would not be surprised if we see someday their will be a whistle blower and expose the group [their secret telegram or simplex group].

Back to exposing Jambler, there were many others who were in the Jambler campaign [they were financially harmed too] but they did not reacted like the group. In fact, some of them appreciated it personally.

Is this a coincidence that Vod's feedback on me was inspired by the leader of the group? Vod eventually was in one of the campaign which was managed by the important member of the group.

I see you haven’t lost any of your speed since Jambla, BitcoinGirl.Club. You have been making new enemies ever since. 

Yes, it started with icopress. Can we say he was the mastermind behind it? Destroy BitcoinGirl.Club slowly so that they can have one less member keeping them alert from their wrongdoing.

[cryptofrka]

cryptofrka [obviously he must have the same reason as Trofo]

I don't go into meta/reputation, don't give a shit, I think most of the people arguing there are a bunch of crybabies.
If I went there, many more people would end up on my list so for you it's just bad moment I guess.

My reason was specifically Jumbler, I disagree with the whole mixer ban and in life despise people that crawl under the boss's feet and try to get noticed by undermining others.

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I would like to be excluded from future conversation and won't be replying to whatever will be answered, if it will. Simply because I have better things to do.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

cryptofrka [obviously he must have the same reason as Trofo]

I don't go into meta/reputation, don't give a shit, I think most of the people arguing there are a bunch of crybabies.
If I went there, many more people would end up on my list so for you it's just bad moment I guess.

My reason was specifically Jumbler, I disagree with the whole mixer ban and in life despise people that crawl under the boss's feet and try to get noticed by undermining others.

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I would like to be excluded from future conversation and won't be replying to whatever will be answered, if it will. Simply because I have better things to do.

Thank you for those two posts even though none of it was pointing to the main topic. It's important to keep eyes shut, pretends that nothing happened as long as you are getting the most benefit from it.

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Removed unnecessary contents. There are no point to discuss about something else. It will create more hate nothing else.

[Vod]

I'm been convicted of extortion

You are an extortionist and a liar is clearly visible by everyone [none of it are private that happen between you and me]. The only matter of fact that no one is brave enough to even talk about it

Hey muffin, if you thought I was being dishonest and you felt extorted, I apologize.   I don't think anyone else sees what you do. 

[Vod]

He was playing a role before, trying to earn trust any way he could. That led to him having to support extortionists and others who are obsessed with gaining control of the trust network. He’s been compromised for a long time now and is honestly a weasel using mentally ill people on the internet like attack dogs. You can’t hide the truth forever. I mentioned I’d never even used one of his sites a few months ago and he was so thin skinned he and his little crew of buddies launched an attack on me for several days, accusing me of lying when I literally couldn’t give a shit about his websites. Then when I say what I will do to him if I see him, he gets me suspended from this site for a week. Absolutely pathetic.

LoyceV cannot suspend people - is this one of the things your cliq feels has changed?   Or are you describing your woke relationship with Theymos?  Excluding your constant misuse of the word "literally", neither of them have reason to think you have more mental illness than the next guy.  :/

Stop implying things that you know are untrue.   Thanks, bozo.

[Shishir99]

Now you're just copying BitcoinGirl.Club's character attack on me. He's close to trolling now, and I'm not in the habit of feeding trolls.

Why would I? Do you think I have some kind of connection with BitcoinGirl.Club like he is my friend, or maybe I am his alternative account? What could be the reason I would attack you for BitcoinGirl.Club? I noticed that some of you have been attacking him for a couple of months, and you are the last addition to it. What did he do?

Everything started with the Jambler ban, and it is obvious why all those people actually excluded him. No matter what they say, the simple reason was, it was a call from their campaign manager that they couldn't reject. I do agree that BitcoinGirl.Club was too aggressive in response. He could have handled the case better with an explanation instead of reacting too much.

I am not a DT member, nor do I have a trust list. I do not have any intention to disrespect you. I have said what my heart felt.

I am out of this conversation. Peace!!!!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Hey muffin, if you thought I was being dishonest and you felt extorted, I apologize.   I don't think anyone else sees what you do.  

You are dishonest, liar and extortionist. There are nothing to think about it. It's all over in the topics between us from the last a few months. Good thing is that you are starting to realize your dishonesty and misbehavior. I will accept your apologies and forgive you but it needs to be proper with genuine actions. Start with apologizing for this statement "they may be planning an exit" and remove the neutral feedback followed by removing the retaliating red tag that you left for me.

Worried about this user - they may be planning an exit. They are attacking me for warning others of a large scam, while they have warned others of many smaller scams. Read other's feedback and trade with caution.

This user calls me a confirmed extortionist in an effort to mutually remove negative feedback. Ask him what law enforcement agency confirmed his butt hurt complaint. Once people commit criminal actions I no longer do business with them. Before deciding to trust/not trust this whackjob, review their recent conversations and the logical leaps of faith that are made.

In the future, if you want to tag anyone or attack anyone then do your investigation first, work with fact checking before using the feedback. Unless there are proven evidences of wrongdoing, stay away from attacking powerless in some cases very innocent forum users. You will find there will be not conflict between us anymore.

[...]

Shishir99, I appreciate you are speaking your mind other than observing everything like many others. It needs courage. But I think by speaking your own mind, you are risking yourself to be a target of the entire group, the group that was working hard to bring me down from +9 to -8 DT strength. I have a long history in this forum and it was not easy for them to achieve their dirty goals against me. For them it still is a hard work. But comparatively you are way to weaker for them. If they target you then it will not take long time for them to destroy you completely. I will advice you the same that I advised Etranger which is please do not make any further involvement in this development.

[Vod]

I will accept your apologies and forgive you but it needs to be proper with genuine actions. Start with apologizing for this statement "they may be planning an exit" and remove the neutral feedback followed by removing the retaliating red tag that you left for me.

I've never given in to extortion, you should know that. 

[Shishir99]

But comparatively you are way to weaker for them. If they target you then it will not take long time for them to destroy you completely. I will advice you the same that I advised Etranger which is please do not make any further involvement in this development.

Sorry, I had to reply to you even though I said I won't be in this conversation.
Do you think I care about trust, inclusion/exclusion? Do you think I am speaking for you? If that were someone else, I would speak for them, too. It's not like I started talking because of one incident. I have been observing this for a couple of months, and I am speaking my mind. I do not have any issue with Vod or LoyceV. LoyceV is the person who sent me the most merits. So there is no reason why I would disrespect them. I am just telling what I feel. I won't hesitate to speak against you if I see you are doing something wrong. That is based on my mind. If someone cannot take constructive criticism about their judgment, they should not be on the DT network.

There was a time when I was talking in favor of JollyGood about a case (I don't remember exactly), and you called me a friend of JollyGood. I don't remember the case, but I guess it was you or BenCodie who called me a friend of JollyGood. I am making this point out that I do not speak for the person; my words are based on the case.

See the quote below where I criticized you for your behaviour, and then what you said.

Your behavior has become too rude in the last couple of weeks.

He has all his rights to act how he likes. I don't think you needed a topic for that. The users you wanted to protect have years of reputation on the forum. They know very well how to deal with any situation.

In that drama it seemed you and JollyGood was trying to be the baby babysitter for members like Rikafip and some others. People does not like at, it sense like you were trying to impress them.

[mindrust]

I could have made a case against chipm**er’s privacy model years ago before it went down but I didn’t. In a few posts I mentioned it though.

Had I done that, started a topic about it, I would have gotten burned alive. I have that much common sense in me.

Was that a good or bad decision? If that was a bad decision you say, I probably wasn’t the only guy who thought about it  as there are much smarter dudes than me around and yet they still didn’t talk about it.

Disskusss

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

my words are based on the case.

Good to know it, there are more people like you and the forum need them most. I think you need to care about having a trust list. If everyone who cares about the forum keeps denying to have their own trust list then those of the users who are working to manipulate the DT system will easily get their pass which is actually happening from long time.

I could have made a case against chipm**er’s privacy model years ago before it went down but I didn’t. In a few posts I mentioned it though.

Had I done that, started a topic about it, I would have gotten burned alive. I have that much common sense in me.

Was that a good or bad decision? If that was a bad decision you say, I probably wasn’t the only guy who thought about it  as there are much smarter dudes than me around and yet they still didn’t talk about it.

Disskusss

It's a choice we all make. If you are afraid to do right thing because it will not benefit you instead it will harm you then you are allowing the wrongs to take over your control. That's not me.

[Shishir99]

Good to know it, there are more people like you and the forum need them most. I think you need to care about having a trust list. If everyone who cares about the forum keeps denying to have their own trust list then those of the users who are working to manipulate the DT system will easily get their pass which is actually happening from long time.

I think this won't help. Some people have already compromised the system. If you are a known, well-spoken guy and you can speak against them anytime, they won't let you grow. The day I build my trust list, these people will update their trust list next week with retaliation exclusion, and they don't owe any answer to anyone. I am better this way. I can still speak whatever I want, and I do not bother about the forum DT system.

I am not against anyone. I am against their particular action. I want to stay out of the DT drama. But I often find myself in those dramas even though I want to ignore them. I am glad nobody takes me seriously. Otherwise, they would have targeted me by now.

[Vod]

I am not against anyone. I am against their particular action. I want to stay out of the DT drama. But I often find myself in those dramas even though I want to ignore them. I am glad nobody takes me seriously. Otherwise, they would have targeted me by now.

It's actually quite simple to exist as a DT member without drama.   Don't state or imply things you know are not true.  As long as one maintains honesty, one doesn't need a good memory, and one will not contradict themselves leading to the drama.

Hopefully my last post showed Bitcoingirl.club how vague and out of context his accusations are.   Anyone can be an extortionist if they suggest something the other person doesn't like.  But he claimed my extortion was confirmed - and
then he refused to provide any police file number.   Who confirmed it for him?

If you are always honest then no one can ask for details or proof you do not have.  

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

But he claimed my extortion was confirmed - and
then he refused to provide any police file number.   Who confirmed it for him?

Where have I told that I have a file number from the police? You keep creating imaginary accusations, telling lies after lies. Go and read the summary again.  Someone with little brain will understand your extortion.

You are so dishonest that until now even after all these day, you have not answered any of the questions I asked. You are cleverly skipping all the questions. You are ugly.

[Vod]

But he claimed my extortion was confirmed - and
then he refused to provide any police file number.   Who confirmed it for him?

Where have I told that I have a file number from the police? You keep creating imaginary accusations, telling lies after lies.

Where have I told that you told you have a file number from the police?   Stop with the imaginary accusations, telling lies after lies!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Stop with the imaginary accusations, telling lies after lies!

If anyone is living in the imagination then it's you. You proved to be a liar and extortionist. Dishonestly is your family name. I don't think I should waste any of my time with you anymore. You are wastage.