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July 02, 2025, 11:32:59 AM
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Additional information has become available about Wallet of Satoshi's new non-custodial Lightning Network service and it has sparked a discussion whether it's non-custodial at all and to what degree. WOS will use Spark as its node operator, requiring a degree of trust in the operator. Spark is a statechain and not trustless. Allegedly, the statechain could collude with certain users to steal money if there are no honest operators.

The creator of Spark, Kevin Hurley disagrees with certain accusations. He says that Spark relies on a 1-of-n operators model that requires honestly at the moment of sending BTC over Lightning. Once that happens, no further malicious attempts can affect the money you sent.

You can follow the discussion here.

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July 06, 2025, 11:20:55 AM
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Additional information has become available about Wallet of Satoshi's new non-custodial Lightning Network service and it has sparked a discussion whether it's non-custodial at all and to what degree. WOS will use Spark as its node operator, requiring a degree of trust in the operator. Spark is a statechain and not trustless. Allegedly, the statechain could collude with certain users to steal money if there are no honest operators.

The creator of Spark, Kevin Hurley disagrees with certain accusations. He says that Spark relies on a 1-of-n operators model that requires honestly at the moment of sending BTC over Lightning. Once that happens, no further malicious attempts can affect the money you sent.

You can follow the discussion here.

Spark, is that some sort of BTC-to-Lightning exchanger like Boltz?

In that case, I can see how it is not decentralized.

Obviously you need to have a large open channel backed with a lot of (your) other BTC in order to have the capability of being able to send sats to  someone else's Lightning node.

And not only that, but regulators could also gate-keep the process at the "Received BTC; Now send sats" stage.

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July 06, 2025, 03:34:17 PM
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Spark, is that some sort of BTC-to-Lightning exchanger like Boltz?
I don't know much about Spark. It's a Bitcoin L2 network that runs through Spark operators. The argument against it is that it's not non-custodial like Phoenix Wallet for instance. But Spark claims that users have full control on their own. This sounds more like a promise to me than how the system actually works because it's not trustless and the operators can act fairly or maliciously. It's centralized, giving them the control to change the code and steal funds if they wanted to.

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