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January 13, 2014, 02:43:35 PM
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Hi all,

Any help will be appreciated as I am tearing my hair out with this one.

Here are the specs to the 2x identical rigs i have made.

Windows 8
Corsair 4GB (1x4GB) Single Channel Value (DDR3 1333/9.0/1.5v) -
CORSAIR CSSD-V30GB2A   
Intel Celeron G1620 Retail - (1155/Dual Core/2.70GHz/2MB/Ivy Bridge/55W
ASRock H61 Pro BTC (Socket 1155/H61/DDR3/S-ATA 300/ATX)
CORSAIR 860W MODULAR PSU CP-9020044-UK X2   
Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 with Boost (3GB GDDR5/PCI Express 3.0/850MHz - 925M X6 on powered risers

Both rigs have been working fine with windows 8 6x cards all mining fine. I came home yesterday to find the second PSU had switched it self off so 3 of the cards had powered down. I switched it all back on and windows would start to load and then I would get a black screen.

I unplugged the 3 cards that are connected to the second PSU and the RIG booted fine and was stable at mining. As soon as I connect one of the 3 cards in, PC hard locks.

I have tried the following
re-flashing bios on graphics cards
Upgrading motherboard BIOS
plugged the cards into my desktop PC directly without riser and it boots fine no crashes
re-installed windows 8 (still hard locks)
tried different risers same issue.

Problem is associated with the cards but I cant for the life of me understand why its doing this all of a sudden. I tried the trouble some cards on my working rig and they crash windows as well.

I cant call the cards faulty because they work fine without a riser.

Please help!
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January 13, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
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Isnt 860W way too low for that? Get a 1200W gold PSU
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January 13, 2014, 03:00:33 PM
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Isnt 860W way too low for that? Get a 1200W gold PSU

860W x2 is well over 1200w, this is not a capacity issue. You are sure that your 860W power supplies are single rail, and that you are loading them evenly with three GPUs? I sure hope they are mono-rail!!

Are you using ribbon riser cables? Are they x1 to x16?


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January 13, 2014, 06:14:27 PM
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Hi thanks for your reply

PSU's have 12V single rail according to the Corsair site. Risers are as you mentioned. 

similar  the the one below. They don't have small capacitors like others i have seen.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Powered-PCI-E-Riser-Cable-Extension-1X-to-16X-24CM-Litecoin-Bitcoin-UK-Stock-/221345188257
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January 13, 2014, 06:31:29 PM
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Are you using a pci-e presence detect pin short? With ribbon cables I believe it is necessary, as the ribbon cable is straight through, and the graphics card will not have a 1x short pin hardwired.

If that does not fix it, then you most certainly have crummy riser cables. I notice you have what seems to be extra long versions, right? Most are around 7" long IIRC, or 17cm instead of 24.

Pci-e data signals are differential pair signals, a lot like network cables. They are supposed to carry an exactly 180 degree mirrored signal, in hopes that the noise from each line will cancel each other out. I have a strong personal opinion that ribbon cables are pure garbage, and that as they get longer (or wider, like x4, x8, x16) the crosstalk of the signal pairs starts to degrade the signal to the point that the pc won't boot. Maybe the PC would boot and mine when brand new, but now that things are set up and humming along a lot more electrical interference is getting at those cables, jacking things up now.

There are sometimes settings to open the latency of the pci-e bus, which might help your situation. These are specific to each mobo's bios though, so you'll have to look and try things on your own there.

Other than that, I'd try USB pci-e riser cables. They have individually twisted, shielded pairs for the pci-e data and clock diff. pairs. If it won't mine on usb risers, it won't mine period  Cheesy


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January 13, 2014, 08:11:46 PM
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I have to second the suggestion to try USB 3.0 powered risers. In my experience those IDE type ribbon cable risers are complete junk, and suffer from terrible interference if they start getting long or you try to use too many at one time. I have a similar setup (same CPU/mobo) on one of my rigs, except with different GPUs (6x r9 270x). Initially I was using those riser cables - at 3 cards the system was stable, at 4 it would work 30% of the time, at 5 15% of the time, and at 6 it would never even boot (similar to how you described, on both Linux and Windows for me). I covered them in aluminum foil (and later copper insulation tape), and it was only slightly better. Eventually I just bought some of those powered USB risers from ebay and have never looked back. Not only do they not seem to suffer from the same interference problems, they give you way more freedom when situating your cards.
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January 14, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
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Thanks for the messages guys. Have ordered some USB risers. Will let you know how i get on.
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January 14, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
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For my 6 cards rig I have 2x1200W.

I think 2x860W is not enough
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January 14, 2014, 08:14:18 PM
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For my 6 cards rig I have 2x1200W.

I think 2x860W is not enough

What GPU is it you are using that requires (2x1200= 2400W-125W/6 =) 380W a piece?

You do know 7950's have an on paper TDP of 200W? So, for a 6 card rig you just recommended nearly double what should be needed.

860Wx2 = 1720W. These are single rail quality power supplies.

This is not a power supply problem!!!

Good luck with the USB risers!


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March 31, 2014, 02:23:58 PM
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Did you try cutting the positive +12v lines on the risers for cards running from additional psu.
Power them also from the riser using same psu.
When your psu's generate +12v using pwm and you combine the 2 +12 lines of different psu you will have a timing problem concatenating the pwm and voltage will be too high.
On side A unshielded risers: lanes 2 and 3 (1 is near edge of mainboard)
On side B unshielded risers: lanes 1,2 and 3...
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April 19, 2014, 06:24:01 PM
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For my 6 cards rig I have 2x1200W.

I think 2x860W is not enough

Hahahah you are purely INSANE if you run something like 79x or 280 with these Shocked  I have 20 rigs with 6x 79xx or 280x each powered with 1x V1000 or similar...
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