what are the chances for a democratic revolution in china

[dogechode]

And why wouldn't they want to have a free-trade agreement? Hmm.. someone should wiki Opium Wars.

btw, rest of Your post is retarded.

Dude seriously, I have a degree in Asian Studies. Step away before you hurt yourself.

They were arrogant and demanded that the representative of the English crown kowtow (basically bow to the ground on your knees and put your head to the ground in a symbol of submission) and the request was refused and ultimately led to a military force being sent shortly thereafter. The Chinese had several opportunities to compromise and they did not.

But since you're just going to deny this and keep ranting, let me settle this right here and now:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1792macartney.asp

For many centuries China had little intercourse with other countries. Various European nations tried to form commercial relations with her, and there was buying and selling between them, but it was most unsatisfactory. The rules made by the Chinese were as fickle as the wind. Often the merchants, or "foreign devils," as the Chinese called them, were in danger of their lives. Several nations had sent representatives to China, and in 1792 England decided to send Lord Macartney as an ambassador to the emperor in the hope of establishing safe and reasonable relations of trade. Even before the ambassador landed, the Chinese contrived to run up a flag on the vessel that bore him up the Peiho, whereon was written "Tribute-bearer from England." This was quite in accordance with the Chinese custom of claiming all gifts as tribute. Another custom of theirs was that whoever approached the throne of the emperor must perform the kowtow, that is, must kneel three times, and at each kneeling must bow three times till his head touched the floor. This was the way in which the greater idols were approached and signified that the emperor was a god. Lord Macartney told the Chinese legate that he would not perform the kowtow unless a high officer of state would kowtow before a picture of the King of England. The emperor finally agreed to admit the ambassador, who bent his knee, as he would have done before his own sovereign. The next English ambassador, Lord Amherst, who came in 1817, refused to kowtow, was told that he was a very rude man who did not know how to behave, and was bidden to go home at once.

As usual, you're just another jackass on the internet shooting his mouth off about something you don't even remotely understand. The Chinese spit in the world's face lonnnnng before the "Opium wars" that every amateur jackass likes to use as the supposed reason for problems between China and England.

[NationOwnedCCNow]

Will you change history now just because you have more time on Your hands to copy n paste a ton of shit? No. Will you convince me? No. Will others be convinced? I really don't care and no, I don't think so.

[envy2010]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA The USA left that stance 100's of years ago..  Fema could throw you all into concentration camps and you would not lift a finger.  The America american's are so proud of is LONG dead, long dead.  Only a country of debt slaves remains, scared of their own shadow.  No real American would of let the "patriort" act be signed in, it's over boys.

You don't actually know that much about the US, do you?

First, FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) is primary tasked with natural disaster relief (hurricane cleanup, flood evacuation, etc.). When it comes to throwing people in "concentration camps", they are at the bottom of the list next to the US Postal Service.

Second, public knowledge of those types of actions by the Federal government result in a enormous PR backlash on the administration, see Waco and Ruby Ridge as prime examples.

Third, there are more armed citizens in the US than there are military and paramilitary soldiers in the entire world (over 120 MILLION). Owning and using firearms is a cultural phenomenon in the US, has been for over 200 years, and this is very unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Forcible disarmament is even less likely than anyone successfully occupying Afghanistan.

[wobber]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA The USA left that stance 100's of years ago..  Fema could throw you all into concentration camps and you would not lift a finger.  The America american's are so proud of is LONG dead, long dead.  Only a country of debt slaves remains, scared of their own shadow.  No real American would of let the "patriort" act be signed in, it's over boys.

You don't actually know that much about the US, do you?

First, FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) is primary tasked with natural disaster relief (hurricane cleanup, flood evacuation, etc.). When it comes to throwing people in "concentration camps", they are at the bottom of the list next to the US Postal Service.

Second, public knowledge of those types of actions by the Federal government result in a enormous PR backlash on the administration, see Waco and Ruby Ridge as prime examples.

Third, there are more armed citizens in the US than there are military and paramilitary soldiers in the entire world (over 120 MILLION). Owning and using firearms is a cultural phenomenon in the US, has been for over 200 years, and this is very unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Forcible disarmament is even less likely than anyone successfully occupying Afghanistan.

Awesome points. I heard that FEMA concentration camp and plastic coffin theory. Actually, FEMA has tens thousands of plastic coffins for shit-hits-the-fan scenarios when you don't want corpses everywhere. And also have modular camps that can be set up in a few hours, to provide emergency shelter in those cases.

In regards to revolutions... revolutions now are changed. We need only 2-3 victims to be outraged. Back in the history, the regimes would massacre thousands nobody would lift a finger (see Rwanda). Now, with mass communications, nobody would even think of that. Too many cameras even in Africa now. This technology can make us witnesses and nobody wants to witness that.

[redhawk979]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA The USA left that stance 100's of years ago..  Fema could throw you all into concentration camps and you would not lift a finger.  The America american's are so proud of is LONG dead, long dead.  Only a country of debt slaves remains, scared of their own shadow.  No real American would of let the "patriort" act be signed in, it's over boys.

You don't actually know that much about the US, do you?

First, FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) is primary tasked with natural disaster relief (hurricane cleanup, flood evacuation, etc.). When it comes to throwing people in "concentration camps", they are at the bottom of the list next to the US Postal Service.

Second, public knowledge of those types of actions by the Federal government result in a enormous PR backlash on the administration, see Waco and Ruby Ridge as prime examples.

Third, there are more armed citizens in the US than there are military and paramilitary soldiers in the entire world (over 120 MILLION). Owning and using firearms is a cultural phenomenon in the US, has been for over 200 years, and this is very unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Forcible disarmament is even less likely than anyone successfully occupying Afghanistan.

Awesome points. I heard that FEMA concentration camp and plastic coffin theory. Actually, FEMA has tens thousands of plastic coffins for shit-hits-the-fan scenarios when you don't want corpses everywhere. And also have modular camps that can be set up in a few hours, to provide emergency shelter in those cases.

In regards to revolutions... revolutions now are changed. We need only 2-3 victims to be outraged. Back in the history, the regimes would massacre thousands nobody would lift a finger (see Rwanda). Now, with mass communications, nobody would even think of that. Too many cameras even in Africa now. This technology can make us witnesses and nobody wants to witness that.

Cause North Korea isn't totally killing hundreds of thousands of its own citizens in concentration camps.

[ScarletJ]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA The USA left that stance 100's of years ago..  Fema could throw you all into concentration camps and you would not lift a finger.  The America american's are so proud of is LONG dead, long dead.  Only a country of debt slaves remains, scared of their own shadow.  No real American would of let the "patriort" act be signed in, it's over boys.

You don't actually know that much about the US, do you?

First, FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency) is primary tasked with natural disaster relief (hurricane cleanup, flood evacuation, etc.). When it comes to throwing people in "concentration camps", they are at the bottom of the list next to the US Postal Service.

Second, public knowledge of those types of actions by the Federal government result in a enormous PR backlash on the administration, see Waco and Ruby Ridge as prime examples.

Third, there are more armed citizens in the US than there are military and paramilitary soldiers in the entire world (over 120 MILLION). Owning and using firearms is a cultural phenomenon in the US, has been for over 200 years, and this is very unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Forcible disarmament is even less likely than anyone successfully occupying Afghanistan.

Awesome points. I heard that FEMA concentration camp and plastic coffin theory. Actually, FEMA has tens thousands of plastic coffins for shit-hits-the-fan scenarios when you don't want corpses everywhere. And also have modular camps that can be set up in a few hours, to provide emergency shelter in those cases.

In regards to revolutions... revolutions now are changed. We need only 2-3 victims to be outraged. Back in the history, the regimes would massacre thousands nobody would lift a finger (see Rwanda). Now, with mass communications, nobody would even think of that. Too many cameras even in Africa now. This technology can make us witnesses and nobody wants to witness that.

Nah. Revolutions are still a mix of social circumstances and opportunity slated with a veneer of outrage and ideology, although now it's easier to find excuses and easier for the revolutionaries to communicate.

Don't lump me in with the guy who said Americans don't have more freedoms than the Chinese, although the gap is getting narrower and narrower every day with things like the super secret no fly list you can get on based on random suspicion.

But a very salient example - lots of victims of governmental violence and neglect in the USA. Lots of people feel distrust in government (in fact the majority consider the government a threat to liberty and 37% fear the government, 19% trust). People don't think the democratic two-party system works, much less the justice system, now we have an innocent American citizen teenager killed by drones.

Still, nobody's even thinking revolution. Because people still mostly have what they want in America, that is, a life, and also people know that any such attempt will be hammered down hard, perp lives destroyed with no chance of success, and even talking will get you in trouble.

The exact same thing goes in China, except they trust their gov't a lot more in polls.

[counter]

There would have to be a real uprising by the public.  I don't see that happening over night and will most likely not be the outcome in my opinion.

[DustyRah]

From what I've heard/read, the Chinese like it the way it is.  There is no move mass movement to change anything...at the moment.  They embrace capitalism, but are communist, it's weird.

The Chinese are used to being ruled(because they don't have something other have, which is BALLS). That has always been their way of life, one having a boss over another and so on. They are not used to equality and that kind of crap. In fact, they would be better off on crack cocaine than being granted freedom because freedom would just result in mass chaos.

They got their stuff going on...better to let them be than have that huge ass country break up into pieces and all kinds of problems resulting from it.

Oh, in case they do get freedom and democracy, I would love to see the top commi officials get their balls cut off for their sick brutal regime.