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July 31, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spying-senate-staffers


The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, issued an extraordinary apology to leaders of the US Senate intelligence committee on Thursday, conceding that the agency employees spied on committee staff and reversing months of furious and public denials.

Brennan’ acknowledged that an internal investigation had found agency security personnel transgressed a firewall set up on a CIA network, called RDINet, that allowed Senate committee investigators to review agency documents for their landmark inquiry into CIA torture. The acknowledgement brings Brenan’s already rocky tenure at the head of the CIA under renewed question.

“Some CIA employees acted in a manner inconsistent with the common understanding reached between SSCI and the CIA in 2009 regarding access to the RDINet,” CIA spokesman Dean Boyd said in a statement to reporters, using the acronym for the Senate select committee on intelligence.

In March, the committee chairwoman, Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, accused the agency of violating constitutional boundaries by spying on the Senate.

Feinstein has yet to comment on the CIA statement. But Mark Udall of Colorado, a Demorat on the Senate panel, tweeted that “Brennan misled public” and pledged to “fight for change at the CIA.”

Steve Aftergood, of the Federation of American Scientists and a a longtime observer of the CIA, called the statement a “conciliatory gesture” to the panel’s leaders. “If Senator Feinstein is satisfied with the apology then the affair is effectively over. If she contends there was a fundamental breach that cannot be corrected with a mere apology then some further action might be needed,” Aftergood said.

Feinstein, in her dramatic speech on the Senate floor in March, said the agency breached the firewall to obstruct the committee’s investigation of the agency’s torture of post-9/11 terrorism detainees, a years-long effort expected to be partially declassified in the coming days or weeks. That investigation was itself prompted by a different coverup: the destruction of videotapes of brutal interrogations by a senior official, Jose Rodriguez.

Despite that, the committee has concluded that the torture was an ineffective means of gathering intelligence on al-Qaida - contradicting years of CIA assurances it was crucial - and that the agency lied to its overseers about its value.

Brennan, a confidante of Barack Obama and a senior agency official when the “rendition, detention and interrogation” program was established, immediately denied that his officials had spied on their overseers.

“As far as the allegations of, you know, CIA hacking into, you know, Senate computers, nothing could be further from the truth. I mean we wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the – you know, the scope of reason in terms of what we would do,” Brennan said the day of Feinstein’s accusation.

The White House, where Brennan worked as Obama’s senior counterterrorism aide before becoming CIA director in March 2013, did not immediately respond to inquiries asking if Obama retained confidence in Brennan.

The Obama administration has walked a delicate line over the torture report. Obama has insisted its prompt and thorough declassification - which has taken nearly four months - is a priority. Yet appointing the CIA itself as the lead agency determining what aspects of a report directly implicating CIA activities the public can see.

Even before he was sworn in as president, Obama disappointed civil-libertarian supporters by indicating his disinclination to prosecuting agency and ex-Bush administration officials who ordered and implemented the torture program. In 2012, a special prosecutor ended an inquiry without bringing charges. Only one man, a former CIA contractor named David Passaro, has gone to jail in connection to the CIA’s post-9/11 torture.

Brennan’s apology also complicates a developing CIA pushback against a report that agency officials, current and former, consider shoddy. George Tenet, the former director whom Brennan served and who oversaw the brutal practices - where suspected terrorists were subjected to simulated drowning, had guns fired by their heads, were kept in undisclosed prisons for years and were sent to countries like Gadhafi’s Libya and Assad’s Syria for even more abusive treatment - is said to be developing a public strategy to attack the committee once the report is released.

Boyd said Brennan has asked a former committee member, Evan Bayh, a former Indiana Democratic senator, to review the recommendations of the agency inspector general - which vindicated Feinstein and prompted Brennan’s apology - and advise Brennan on next steps.

That advice, Boyd said, “could include potential disciplinary measures and/or steps to address systemic issues.”

The agency, consistent with a pattern that has held since 9/11, appears out of danger from criminal liability. Earlier this month, a Justice Department probe, also first reported by McClatchy, declined to pursue an investigation into Feinstein’s now-vindicated charges.
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July 31, 2014, 04:50:37 PM
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Government going after their own people.

Really, how stupid can the bureaucrat be?
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July 31, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
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Maybe now something will happen. They don't seem to care at all when we are getting spied on, but a senate member... This is an outrage!!!!!!!!
Kinda like when they shut down the government for weeks because one of them got delayed at the airport. That led to the "Passenger bill of rights".

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July 31, 2014, 05:38:02 PM
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It's like spying is the new norm and we're all supposed to be like, "So what!" I wonder if Rand is going to come out and say something about this today.
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August 01, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
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Someone went after CIA director then Senate staffers.

Is there really anyone not on the list of being spied on?
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August 01, 2014, 08:15:42 PM
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It seems they are spying everyone, their own people in US congress, American citizens, world leaders, all of us...
Their paranoia is really getting bigger day by day.
They are like ''Big brother'' from Orwell novel ''1948''.
Very sad development for all of us. 

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August 01, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
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It seems they are spying everyone, their own people in US congress, American citizens, world leaders, all of us...
Their paranoia is really getting bigger day by day.
They are like ''Big brother'' from Orwell novel ''1948''.

You so right, its like the stories one heard of the KGB during the Cold war, The US has become a morally bankrupt, paranoid, political cannibalistic plutocracy.........
Its leaders should all be put into a Big Brother Reality show with no privacy and cameras on them 24/7

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August 02, 2014, 04:12:39 AM
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Well I said in the IRS thread the most egregious offense in the Obama administration is the use of a government body to attack it's own citizens.  Since Senators are borderline civilians I guess we could feign a little outrage.  It needs to be clamped down and have some limitations set - I think Congress/Senate will only exempt themselves, however, just like they did with the ACA.
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August 02, 2014, 04:46:53 AM
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The million dollar question is who hasn't the CIA spied on
Internal members of congress senators common citizens they keep tabs on everything and the government still tolerates it.

The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, issued an extraordinary apology to leaders of the US Senate intelligence committee on Thursday, conceding that the agency employees spied on committee staff and reversing months of furious and public denials.

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August 02, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
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Obama admits CIA "tortured some folks" but stands by Brennan over spying

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/01/obama-cia-torture-some-folks-brennan-spying

<< President Barack Obama on Friday starkly criticised the CIA's past treatment of terror suspects, saying he could understand why the agency rushed to use controversial interrogation techniques in the aftermath of 9/11 but conceding: "we tortured some folks". >>
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August 03, 2014, 04:55:24 AM
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Well I said in the IRS thread the most egregious offense in the Obama administration is the use of a government body to attack it's own citizens.  Since Senators are borderline civilians I guess we could feign a little outrage.  It needs to be clamped down and have some limitations set - I think Congress/Senate will only exempt themselves, however, just like they did with the ACA.
It is not that the CIA is spying on citizens (illegal) but it is that the CIA was spying on the people who provide oversight to them. It means they are preparing to potentially find "dirt" on the same people who provide checks on the CIA to only use if they were to try to check the power of the CIA.
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August 03, 2014, 07:15:20 AM
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Well I said in the IRS thread the most egregious offense in the Obama administration is the use of a government body to attack it's own citizens.  Since Senators are borderline civilians I guess we could feign a little outrage.  It needs to be clamped down and have some limitations set - I think Congress/Senate will only exempt themselves, however, just like they did with the ACA.
It is not that the CIA is spying on citizens (illegal) but it is that the CIA was spying on the people who provide oversight to them. It means they are preparing to potentially find "dirt" on the same people who provide checks on the CIA to only use if they were to try to check the power of the CIA.

Keep your enemies close and your friends even closer.  Very fitting statement to that effect.  Why spy on those enemies over there when I'm threatened by my own employer  Cheesy
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August 03, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
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Well I said in the IRS thread the most egregious offense in the Obama administration is the use of a government body to attack it's own citizens.  Since Senators are borderline civilians I guess we could feign a little outrage.  It needs to be clamped down and have some limitations set - I think Congress/Senate will only exempt themselves, however, just like they did with the ACA.
It is not that the CIA is spying on citizens (illegal) but it is that the CIA was spying on the people who provide oversight to them. It means they are preparing to potentially find "dirt" on the same people who provide checks on the CIA to only use if they were to try to check the power of the CIA.

Keep your enemies close and your friends even closer.  Very fitting statement to that effect.  Why spy on those enemies over there when I'm threatened by my own employer  Cheesy

Even the US official do not trust each other, it shows what a stable system it has become. but.. the our government needs to be spied on.  Cheesy

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Senator Rand Paul: CIA Director John Brennan Should Be Fired
The Kentucky Republican, who filibustered the CIA chief's nomination, is the latest legislator to call for his ouster.


A spokesman from Senator Rand Paul's office has forward the Kentucky Republican's reaction to news that the CIA spied on a Senate subcommittee as it investigated torture, malfeasance that CIA chief John Brennan once explicitly denied. "It is illegal for the CIA to spy on Americans and an affront to our Republic to spy on the Senate," Senator Paul stated. "Brennan told the American people that the CIA did not spy on the Senate but now he admits that they did. Brennan should dismiss those responsible for breaking the law and be relieved of his post.”

Paul also emphasized that he tried to prevent Brennan's nomination to head the CIA by mounting a filibuster against it. At least two other Senators have also called for Brennan to be fired. For more on Brennan's unacceptable job performance and the factors President Obama may consider when deciding what to do with him, see "Does John Brennan Know Too Much for Obama to Fire Him?"

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, a Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, has spoken out in defense of Brennan, and much of the conservative movement has greeted news that the CIA spied on its overseers with a yawn. A GOP that is actually interested in reining in big government excesses and bureaucratic corruption would do well to orchestrate the replacement of legislators like Chambliss with legislators like Paul when assignments to key oversight committees are made.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/08/sen-rand-paul-cia-director-john-brennan-should-be-fired/375488/
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August 03, 2014, 10:26:50 PM
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Well I said in the IRS thread the most egregious offense in the Obama administration is the use of a government body to attack it's own citizens.  Since Senators are borderline civilians I guess we could feign a little outrage.  It needs to be clamped down and have some limitations set - I think Congress/Senate will only exempt themselves, however, just like they did with the ACA.
It is not that the CIA is spying on citizens (illegal) but it is that the CIA was spying on the people who provide oversight to them. It means they are preparing to potentially find "dirt" on the same people who provide checks on the CIA to only use if they were to try to check the power of the CIA.

Keep your enemies close and your friends even closer.  Very fitting statement to that effect.  Why spy on those enemies over there when I'm threatened by my own employer  Cheesy
I guess this would technically be correct, but it does not change the fact that what the CIA did was wrong and likely illegal.
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