[CrowdFund] OMEGA STOX (CounterParty stock asset, closely related to BTC)

[BitcoinFreak12]

You're just going to go around in circles with them. There's also some sock-puppet activity happening in other threads like, "hey, have you heard of this?" from newbie accounts. This should probably be moved to the Gambling/HYIP subforum.

Have you even bothered to read post 1.

It has nothing to do with gambling, i`ve worked out specifically the details how the funds will be invested.

It's neither HYIP, it will return as much as it will return, I don't promise anything , I can't, the market will tell how much we will make.

I just suggested that a 200%/ year is not impossible, I didn't said that I guarantee that, because I can't.

You are just making fun of me my friend and our work, and don't give any factual arguments towards my project, you just like to spit empty words out of your mouth without basis.

Yes my investment carries a risk, I don't deny that, as all investments do, but to just say it's Gambling is just IGNORANCE!

[AcoinL.L.C]

Both. Expecting to make 20.69x your investment in a year is ridiculous.

Well then you must be a perma-bear. The bitcoin has made many people millionaires, average people, who just bought / mined it at the right time. So why can't I (with a record of trading experience) do the same if not better?

Only crappy bonds make you 2%/year, but this is Bitcoin we are talking about, the potential is much bigger.

You can also say the financial crash of 2008/09 made people millions. The majority of people have lost money with Bitcoin, the only people who have profited were the early whales who had tens of thousands of BTC's that they paid pennies for. Everyone that has bought BTC since last December has lost value (holders, not traders). Im not a perma-bear, I don't buy HYIP's, like your offering.

Your a fool if you think you can make 20.69x yearly. Im done with this thread, if anyone "invests" in this I lose faith in humanity 

[cloverme]

You're just going to go around in circles with them. There's also some sock-puppet activity happening in other threads like, "hey, have you heard of this?" from newbie accounts. This should probably be moved to the Gambling/HYIP subforum.

Have you even bothered to read post 1.

It has nothing to do with gambling, i`ve worked out specifically the details how the funds will be invested.

It's neither HYIP, it will return as much as it will return, I don't promise anything , I can't, the market will tell how much we will make.

I just suggested that a 200%/ year is not impossible, I didn't said that I guarantee that, because I can't.

You are just making fun of me my friend and our work, and don't give any factual arguments towards my project, you just like to spit empty words out of your mouth without basis.

Yes my investment carries a risk, I don't deny that, as all investments do, but to just say it's Gambling is just IGNORANCE!

First, in your initial post, on the last line it says critics are welcome. I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to offer you some advice on what to do. I can appreciate what you're trying to setup, but you need to realize that we see these types of offerings all the time. You have no partnerships with your income stream, no data and no research.  The threads here are populated with income by faucet and casino bankrolls. You're new, so you may not know this, but most of the major gambling sites in the gambling thread up and stole either hundreds or thousands of BTC. Faucets die like goldfish in the desert as well. Have you researched about the rate at which people actually repay BTC loans? You really need to do your research is all that I'm trying to tell you.  Start pulling your faucets together, get your bankroll-gambling partnership setup, start loaning out some funds and collect on them or at least show what you expect the repayment rate to be on loans.  How will you trust and collect on people who you've made loans to?  You need data and you don't have any yet.  What you have is an idea and your hand out which we see all the time here in the threads.  The difference between people who get an investment and people who don't are: A) They invest in themselves. B) They have data to support their ideas. C) They have community support.  D) They provide their background/identity information.  Here's an example: http://storj.io/team.html

Second, you need to show what you've invested personally into your own system. You're trying to raise about (1 BTC) $270 through your crowdfund, you should be able to put that up yourself to kickstart your revenue system. Do that first, show some income, then come back after you've established some trust not only here, but outside of the forums. Yes, we understand risks and understand that you can't make promises of income. You've also gone back and edited your first post a few times, in there you said you had finance experience. If you want to gain some trust, you need to show the community you have something to contribute in kind and relay your experience.  No one is going to invest if you don't invest in yourself first.  Start small and grow it to something that you can then offer an opportunity on.

Come back once you have something built, you're too early to get investors at this point.

[BitcoinFreak12]

Come back once you have something built, you're too early to get investors at this point.

Very well, I`ll put some of my own capital into it, hopefully people will gain more trust then.

Although I think its good to be anonymous, this would be an anonymous "fund" , because in my view privacy is the NR.1 priority.
I won't request any info from the customers, they wont request info from me, as simple as that.

Look at the NXT based assets, completely anonymous yet they have 1m$ in it, and they are NOT scammers. The same way my asset would work, except that i`d be more innovative.

I think I was the first one to come up with this complex idea of investment, others were only investing in gambling sites or lottery.
This one is investing in diversified assets, with a good risk management, i think people should consider that as a great option.

I know that I have small trust because I`m a newbie, but clearly, people should invest in the "idea" not the "man". That is the other reason my I keep my anonymity, so that people to not confuse my identity with my project, we have to separate these 2 concepts.

Business is business and chit-chat talk on forums is that and its not identical.

[AcoinL.L.C]

Come back once you have something built, you're too early to get investors at this point.

Very well, I`ll put some of my own capital into it, hopefully people will gain more trust then.

Although I think its good to be anonymous, this would be an anonymous "fund" , because in my view privacy is the NR.1 priority.
I won't request any info from the customers, they wont request info from me, as simple as that.

Look at the NXT based assets, completely anonymous yet they have 1m$ in it, and they are NOT scammers. The same way my asset would work, except that i`d be more innovative.

I think I was the first one to come up with this complex idea of investment, others were only investing in gambling sites or lottery.
This one is investing in diversified assets, with a good risk management, i think people should consider that as a great option.

I know that I have small trust because I`m a newbie, but clearly, people should invest in the "idea" not the "man". That is the other reason my I keep my anonymity, so that people to not confuse my identity with my project, we have to separate these 2 concepts.

Business is business and chit-chat talk on forums is that and its not identical.

This is the opposite of how any real investor invests. Ideas are cheap, the only thing that matters is if the person running the project is capable of successfully managing it. If you can't put $270 bucks into your own project, you have no business asking for other people's money.

[BitcoinFreak12]

This is the opposite of how any real investor invests. Ideas are cheap, the only thing that matters is if the person running the project is capable of successfully managing it. If you can't put $270 bucks into your own project, you have no business asking for other people's money.

And thats the opposite how crowdfunding works. There have been many crowdfunded ideas on both coinfounder and bitcoinstarter, so it's not the case.

Some guy asked 5 BTC for a new laptop and he raised funds for that, it's silly but people do waste money. Now instead of them wasting 5 BTC on some random guy's laptop, he could just have funded my idea which actually gave them profits and not lose them money.

Even if it would not be a succes (which I doubt strongly), what the more likely?

• Invest in my project, risk small amount (I only ask for 0.005 BTC now) and see what happens ? There is a good probability that you will gain profits

Or

• Give 5 BTC to a random guy to buy his laptop and never see that money again.

So which one do you think has more risk or opportunity?

If a random guy can ask for any donation for any BS idea, then I can ask too for a very innovative business idea. So let's be fair here man.

[AcoinL.L.C]

This is the opposite of how any real investor invests. Ideas are cheap, the only thing that matters is if the person running the project is capable of successfully managing it. If you can't put $270 bucks into your own project, you have no business asking for other people's money.

And thats the opposite how crowdfunding works. There have been many crowdfunded ideas on both coinfounder and bitcoinstarter, so it's not the case.

Some guy asked 5 BTC for a new laptop and he raised funds for that, it's silly but people do waste money. Now instead of them wasting 5 BTC on some random guy's laptop, he could just have funded my idea which actually gave them profits and not lose them money.

Even if it would not be a succes (which I doubt strongly), what the more likely?

• Invest in my project, risk small amount (I only ask for 0.005 BTC now) and see what happens ? There is a good probability that you will gain profits

Or

• Give 5 BTC to a random guy to buy his laptop and never see that money again.

So which one do you think has more risk or opportunity?

If a random guy can ask for any donation for any BS idea, then I can ask too for a very innovative business idea. So let's be fair here man.

Crowdfunding typically isn't an investment. From an investment standpoint, you invest in the management. A mediocre idea with good management is much better than a great idea with poor management. There is not a good probability you would make profits.

Bottom line is if you can't set aside $270 to start your own project, your clearly not a very good trader.

[BitcoinFreak12]

Crowdfunding typically isn't an investment. From an investment standpoint, you invest in the management. A mediocre idea with good management is much better than a great idea with poor management. There is not a good probability you would make profits.

Bottom line is if you can't set aside $270 to start your own project, your clearly not a very good trader.

Well at the moment I dont have that much bitcoin funds allocated for it, I didnt bought bitcoin yet because the price was going down.

I think that was a pretty good trade.

But those who already got bitcoin and instead of selling it at a loss, could have tried their chances and gain their losses back with my investments.

Anyway, thanks for nothing, i`m locking this thread until I raise funds with other methods as I can't count on bitcointalk's community's support on this.