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April 29, 2016, 12:21:02 AM
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I always thought BTC would succeed as a way for large corporations to move vast amounts of wealth, and to a lesser extent, maybe become defacto currency of the internet. Never really believed that it would be a form of payment for groceries lol.
 Guess my question is: Do we really NEED BTC to be adopted by every person on the globe for it to become "successful"?
In my humble opinion, it's already successful! Not that I'd be upset if it gained a few 0's hehe
Thoughts?...
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April 29, 2016, 01:19:43 AM
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Just made a post about that earlier:

Schnorr signatures will lower transaction overhead to increase TPS, plus payment channels from segwit giving you unlimited TPS with garbage collection.  Even without payment channels, it only requires around 8MB blocks for Bitcoin to function as a checkbook type payment system for large value transactions accessible to 1st world middle/upper middle class at full market adoption of trillions in market cap.  Imminent segwit release goes to 1.6MB, then hard fork to raise block size is in 2017, so it will be 3.2MB then. 

Assuming payment channels didn't even exist, you would only need one block size increase from there to remove the glass ceiling on price completely.  I don't know how the whole payment channels and sidechains thing will play out.  It might not be required to raise block size at all and payment channels, sidechains, or both will drive the expansion.  For the consumer that only makes 1 payment to a random entity then never does business again, payment channels are not useful, but for any two entities that do lots of repeat business, payment channels should provide enormous increase in capacity.

Since you only need around 8MB blocks to remove most of the glass ceiling on price, 3.2MB blocks + payment channels combined might, or maybe even probably do it entirely.  Bitcoin will likely be ready for worldwide adoption in 2017.

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April 29, 2016, 02:01:48 AM
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sounds like you're talking about a backbone currency.

peercoin is specifically designed to be that.
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April 29, 2016, 03:37:33 AM
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I always thought BTC would succeed as a way for large corporations to move vast amounts of wealth, and to a lesser extent, maybe become defacto currency of the internet. Never really believed that it would be a form of payment for groceries lol.
 Guess my question is: Do we really NEED BTC to be adopted by every person on the globe for it to become "successful"?
In my humble opinion, it's already successful! Not that I'd be upset if it gained a few 0's hehe
Thoughts?...

they can both be true at the same time, bitcoin can be popular, be used as a global currency to buy groceries and also large corporations use it to move big amounts of wealth, and that is the beauty of it. and the nice part is that they both will pay the same fee unlike other methods of payment.

and for bitcoin to be successful i believe it doesn't need every single person on the planet to adopt it but it needs to grow much bigger than the current level. and most importantly a lot more services should start accepting bitcoin so you can call bitcoin successful.

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April 29, 2016, 03:48:20 AM
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It technically doesn't need mass adoption.  If every Russian oligarch is using it to send millions of dollars with their cell phone while standing on the helicopter pad of their yacht, from most trader's points of view, they will not really care where the market cap increase comes from.


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April 29, 2016, 03:49:40 AM
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i think for the ruich and the poor once because there are faucets Wink
i didnt seen gold facuets so far where u can get your own gold scratch for just visiting adds.

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April 29, 2016, 04:33:44 AM
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the ultra rich won't need bitcoin, they invented the fiat ponzi scheme in the first place (that's how they got ultra rich).

bitcoin is designed for the poor
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April 29, 2016, 05:23:42 AM
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the ultra rich won't need bitcoin, they invented the fiat ponzi scheme in the first place (that's how they got ultra rich).

bitcoin is designed for the poor

Yea, no.  You must have never heard of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

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April 29, 2016, 05:29:54 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.


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April 29, 2016, 05:49:46 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.
So you don't think that the money hungry banks out there would want to lower their internal transaction fees and in turn raise their profits by millions each year?

Bitcoin can be successful within the black/grey markets but i think that plain old fiat cash would hold the title of the most commonly used currency among criminals. 

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April 29, 2016, 06:07:07 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.

Dumb comments galore.  Bitcoin is valuable as a method of payment, but more importantly, it's a currency segregted from the designed to fail, designed to scam you, fractional reserve, debt based fiat system, that will implode in a black swan event through cascading deflationary collapse.


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April 29, 2016, 06:33:55 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.

so you think a big ass company like Dell that has been accepting bitcoin for years, or another big ass company like Valve that started accepting bitcoin are black and grey markets! and there are many more small and big merchants that are transaction with bitcoin already.

Weak hands have been complaining about missing out ever since bitcoin was $1 and never buy the dip.
Whales are those who keep buying the dip.
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April 29, 2016, 06:42:01 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.

so you think a big ass company like Dell that has been accepting bitcoin for years, or another big ass company like Valve that started accepting bitcoin are black and grey markets! and there are many more small and big merchants that are transaction with bitcoin already.

Click his post history, he's an Ethereum scammer.  Pages upon pages of claiming btc will "collapse" while claiming Eth will go to the moon when the exact opposite is happening.

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April 29, 2016, 06:42:34 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.
So you don't think that the money hungry banks out there would want to lower their internal transaction fees and in turn raise their profits by millions each year?

Bitcoin can be successful within the black/grey markets but i think that plain old fiat cash would hold the title of the most commonly used currency among criminals. 

You're right, and that's why the banks are interested in the blockchain technology and finding practical use for it. (bitcoin is not practical)
They don't have to buy a low quality "currency" (that's more a pyramid scheme then a currency) to profit from the technology.

Of course fiat cash is the most commonly used currency among criminals, maybe because overall, fiat is the most commonly used currency? It doesn't change the fact that bitcoin only has practical utility in the black/grey markets where the relative anonymity of it's transactions overweight all the inconvenience and security risks that come with making bitcoin transactions.



Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.

Dumb comments galore.  Bitcoin is valuable as a method of payment, but more importantly, it's a currency segregted from the designed to fail, designed to scam you, fractional reserve, debt based fiat system, that will implode in a black swan event through cascading deflationary collapse.

Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.

so you think a big ass company like Dell that has been accepting bitcoin for years, or another big ass company like Valve that started accepting bitcoin are black and grey markets! and there are many more small and big merchants that are transaction with bitcoin already.

All done just to get some free press and maybe some new loyal customers among the bitcoin fanatics.


Yes, it's valuable as a method of payment in fields where anonymity is needed. Where anonymity is not needed, it's needlessly inconvenient and risky.

While I agree that the fiat system is largely built to concentrate wealth in the hands of minority, then bitcoin is doing the same thing on steroids. Inflation at least motivates people to use their wealth to drive the economy. If you just sit on your ass, then your wealth will start to shrink, if you use your wealth to start new projects, create jobs, manufacture goods, then it will grow - that's inflation in a nutshell.
I find the hypocritical bitcoiners, who preach about financial equality while promoting bitcoin, as especially despicable. They are not about changing the system for the better, but the only thing they wish to change is to make wealth even more concentrated, and to put themselves in the position of the "alfa-crooks" who would leech even more on the backs of others. That's the wet dream of a typical bitcoiner - to become rich while having no education or skill, and then to just sit on their ass while watching their wealth expand. That's why it will be a happy day for me when they will get what they actually deserve.
   




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April 29, 2016, 06:44:02 AM
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Nobody cares, shitlord merv.  You're sitting here praising inflation and fractional reserve central banking while also hyping this Ethereum scamcoin that doesn't even work.

Better luck next time.  Maybe you'll figure out who you can and can't post banker propaganda around.

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April 29, 2016, 06:49:33 AM
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Bitcoin is most successful in black and grey markets. In legal commerce, it's a gimmick that is only used by the merchants as a publicity stunt.

so you think a big ass company like Dell that has been accepting bitcoin for years, or another big ass company like Valve that started accepting bitcoin are black and grey markets! and there are many more small and big merchants that are transaction with bitcoin already.

Click his post history, he's an Ethereum scammer.  Pages upon pages of claiming btc will "collapse" while claiming Eth will go to the moon when the exact opposite is happening.

If you check my post history, then you'll see that I'm currently out of ETH, and waiting to see where the momentum goes. If you look even further, then you'll discover that I bought ETH at around 2$ and expanded my crypto wealth about 6x, while you were trying to sell bitcoin to new greater fools.
ETH has an excellent vision and overall concept, but it's technical side is still too raw to see it's far future. But it's still an excellent crypto to earn with daytrading if you know what you're doing.


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Mervyn_Pumpkinhead
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April 29, 2016, 06:50:44 AM
 #17

Nobody cares, shitlord merv.  You're sitting here praising inflation and fractional reserve central banking while also hyping this Ethereum scamcoin that doesn't even work.

Better luck next time.  Maybe you'll figure out who you can and can't post banker propaganda around.

The Ethereum Paradox:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361602.0

I personally think that you are the perfect face of a typical bitcoiner Smiley


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