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February 23, 2015, 01:00:48 AM
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Great article from Guardian

Can a Bitcoin-style virtual currency solve the Greek financial crisis?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/22/can-a-parallel-digital-currency-solve-the-greek-financial-crisis

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There’s almost no upside to a eurocrisis. You become part of a rolling maul of politicians, journalists and economists ripping and gouging at each other, both in private and on Twitter. The only advantage of being there is that it forces you to think laterally about money. Soon – if the Greek crisis is not resolved – one of the most audacious pieces of lateral thinking ever could get a try-out: a parallel digital currency, issued by the Greek government, modelled on Bitcoin, but with a crucial difference.

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In orthodox economics, money barely figures. It’s just there, acting as a lubricant to supply and demand. The assumption is: markets create money, and the state’s role is to make sure it’s not fake or diluted.

Bitcoin is an audacious attempt to create money beyond the control of any state. It is a digital currency, in the form of a limited number of tokens. It is championed by people who would, if they could, return to a gold standard – where states are obliged to limit the amount of money in the economy. What these money fundamentalists worry about is states creating so much money that booms and busts become inevitable and inflation erodes wealth. In this sense, Bitcoin’s aim is to function as “digital gold”.

If things go badly for Greece, finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has said he would consider creating a parallel digital currency, using Bitcoin’s digital security and transparency, but doing the exact opposite of what the money fundamentalists intend.

Let’s recap the problem. The Greek debt is unpayable; the austerity required to pay it down is socially unbearable. So whether it’s this week or in six months’ time, there will come a point when Athens cannot meet conditions acceptable to the European Central Bank. Then, the normal sequence would be: bank closures, capital controls, an angry standoff and ultimately a Greek default.

If you insert a parallel currency into this sequence, you can delay the moment of default and gain a lot of leeway.




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February 23, 2015, 01:30:14 AM
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It would definitely have a much different outcome than simply returning to the drachma.. The wouldn't necessarily be lever to pull, and if there was, it could be an easy way for greeks to get a quantity of currency in their banks, even if not worth much, to trade into bitcoin…

Adopting bitcoin is akin adopting all major fiat currencies… Varoufakis is very well educated about crypto currency. It may be the only option… 

They really don't like not having the ability to print and create monies out of thin air...
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February 23, 2015, 01:32:56 AM
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It would definitely have a much different outcome than simply returning to the drachma.. The wouldn't necessarily be lever to pull, and if there was, it could be an easy way for greeks to get a quantity of currency in their banks, even if not worth much, to trade into bitcoin…

Adopting bitcoin is akin adopting all major fiat currencies… Varoufakis is very well educated about crypto currency. It may be the only option…  

They really don't like not having the ability to print and create monies out of thin air...

Lets say they actually use a Bitcoin like currency.
Would they actually mine it (and who would do that? their banks?) or would they have premine (or instamine)?

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February 23, 2015, 02:27:02 AM
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The next question is if the Greek goverment create his own digital currency who will mine it and with what system. I dont think a blockchain without any value token can work. And how ecuador has create his digital currency in what system?

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February 23, 2015, 03:48:06 AM
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No, because "cryptocurrencies" don't exist. There is only bitcoin, and a bunch of worthless shitcurrency that won't exist in 5 years.

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February 23, 2015, 03:55:26 AM
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I don't think so. There is nothing that would stop any government from issuing bitcoin denominated debt as long as investors are willing to lend money to them. There is also nothing that would stop anyone from engaging in fractional reserve banking as long as depositors are willing to keep money on deposit with any financial institutions
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February 23, 2015, 07:44:16 AM
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The article talks about a "bitcoin-like virtual currency", but the currency that is described is not at all like Bitcoin. The currency is debt, issued by the Greek government in the form of currency.

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February 23, 2015, 07:46:29 AM
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Short answer: no. Humans only thrive when they can rely on other humans. If some are crooked and some are tools, no amount of fake money can fix that dynamic. They gotta work or move. It's kinda tragic.
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February 23, 2015, 08:36:02 AM
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The problems that now exist in Greece will no magicly go away with the use of a crooked version of Bitcoin resembling the old fiat system, it will only replace the facade with buzz words and keep the current state of economic demise and dependancy of the other Euro countries.

If they would abandon the Euro, give a big finger to the other euro countries and embrace bitcoin, then it might work, but I do not think Greece has the guts to say no to their neighbouring countries, although they 'helped'  alot by solving Greece's debt with more debt...

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February 23, 2015, 10:32:07 AM
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If they create a parallel currency (crypto or not) and they use it in their own economy they will have though times at the beginning but eventually they'll be fine.
Then they say no to foreign creditors (but this will imply severe consequences on such a small country).
But, definitely, a parallel greek currency will help for sure.
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February 23, 2015, 10:50:51 AM
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Hmm. Could it work? Sure? Would it? I'm not so sure. One thing is for certain is it would be a very interesting experiment, but I doubt very much it will get to the point where they're seriously considering it.

It would definitely have a much different outcome than simply returning to the drachma.. The wouldn't necessarily be lever to pull, and if there was, it could be an easy way for greeks to get a quantity of currency in their banks, even if not worth much, to trade into bitcoin…

Adopting bitcoin is akin adopting all major fiat currencies… Varoufakis is very well educated about crypto currency. It may be the only option…  

They really don't like not having the ability to print and create monies out of thin air...

Lets say they actually use a Bitcoin like currency.
Would they actually mine it (and who would do that? their banks?) or would they have premine (or instamine)?


It would very likely have to be pre-mined by the government. It wouldn't be decentralized but it would still be a crypto.

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