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March 16, 2015, 08:34:44 PM
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Come out, grab a coffee and join us at the meetup in 3 hours.  Wink

If you miss this one, there will be one next month, April 14, same time and place.

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March 16, 2015, 08:57:01 PM
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No thanks, no one needs Protoshit scams this year

Hmm ok, I wasn't planning on talking about Protoshares at this one, but here's an explanation of the history behind it from the wikipedia.org draft for BitShares I've been contributing to:

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     BitShares was conceptualized by Daniel Larimer, founder of Invictus Innovations Inc. (a.k.a. i3) which was incorporated on July 4, 2013. Dan set out to create a decentralized exchange that would be able to mitigate the potential for hacking or internal thefts (such as the infamous MtGox. exchange default) by minimizing the trust required when using services to trade and hedge Bitcoin. He realized lower counterparty risk could be achieved by moving those services onto the blockchain protocol directly.

Protoshares
     Protoshares (PTS) 1.0 was a Bitcoin clone created by an independent developer named FreeTrade. PTS began mining on Guy Fawkes Day, November 5, 2013. The genesis block was mined by super3 of the Storj project. The purpose of PTS was to provide supporters a fair way to obtain a stake in BitShares before it was launched. Initially, the plan was to distribute 10% of the BitShares supply across all of the holders of PTS, with the remaining 90% to be mineable when BitShares launched. However a few weeks after PTS launched, mining PTS became unprofitable to mine for users with ordinary CPUs due to the presence of professional mining rigs and pools which had directed their hashing power at PTS. The distribution of PTS was  centralizing in favor of the largest mining operations, concentrating it into the hands of the those with commercial grade mining capital, contrary to the intention of a fair distribution. This event led i3 to reconsider using the proof of work algorithm altogether to achieve consensus and secure the BitShares blockchain, taking them on a 6 month detour to analyze alternative consensus algorithms. Daniel Larimer forked and iterated on Proof of Stake used by NXT to create Transactions as Proof of Stake (TaPOS). TaPOS improved blockchain security by making secret chains impossible to stake on (http://bravenewcoin.com/assets/Uploads/TransactionsAsProofOfStake10.pdf), however the block confirmations weren’t fast enough to facilitate a decentralized exchange. The search for faster confirmations would eventually lead him to invent Delegated Proof of Stake (DPOS) six weeks later (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14019.msg182304#msg182304). Since then, PTS 1.0 has been snapshot and share dropped onto  PTS 2.0, a DPOS DAC run by developers unaffiliated with i3. This upgrade was done in order to decrease the energy costs of maintaining the PTS chain into the future. Miners of the original PTS have shut down their rigs and new block production has effectively stopped.

Angelshares
     Angelshares (AGS) was proposed on December 24, 2013 in order to secure funding for the continued development of BitShares as well as provide a fair distribution with a low barrier to entry. These were initially the objectives of PTS until centralized mining made it unprofitable to do so. AGS was simply a public ledger of addresses controlled by donors to i3’s development fund.  Similar to PTS, it was suggested that future DAC developers snapshot AGS and sharedrop at least 10% of the initial allocation to the AGS holders. These minimum initial allocation percentages became known as the social consensus, an unwritten rule suggested by i3 that all future DACs should sharedrop at least 10% to PTS and AGS holders in order to attract the support of donors who have helped to fund the initial development of BitShares. (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14019.msg182303#msg182303)

Snapshots and Sharedrops
     Now that BitShares was using delegated proof of stake instead of proof of work, mining was no longer an aspect of the consensus algorithm design. Thus, a new process for fairly distributing the remaining 80% of the share supply was needed. i3 came up with the concept of taking a snapshot, which is saving the state of a blockchain at a specific instant in time. The snapshot would be used later to perform a sharedrop, which is initializing the genesis block of a new blockchain with balances that correspond to the balances on the snapshot chain. The wallet corresponding to a snapshot could be imported into the new DAC client in order to claim the allocated shares in the genesis block for that wallet. Today you can also use a more secure method of claiming your allocated stake, whereby instead of importing the wallet file, you can import a message signed by the wallet that the snapshot was taken for instead. (Check if this was merged)

So what really happened was changing protoshares to be 1/2 of the sharedrop allocation instead of 100% because of realizations   by Dan Larimer about mining. More like a traditional startup pivot and less like a scam, in my humble opinion.

Of course you are entitled to your opinions as well, it's a free country.  Tongue If you're in the area you should come convince us that Protoshares was in fact a scam if that's what you believe. I'd love to have a nice little debate about it!

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March 16, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
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Does the coffee come with a free house? Grin






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March 17, 2015, 12:56:26 AM
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For anybody new that finds themselves suddenly intrigued - here's the complete First Year rundown on  The Origin of BitShares:

Part 1   - It Began with ProtoShares
Part 2   - The Death of Mining
Part 3   - The Ideal Mining Pool
Part 4   - AngelShares and Virtual Mining
Part 5   - POW to POS to TaPOS to DPOS!
Part 6   - Sharedrops and Snapshots
Part 7   - BitShares Sharedrop Theory
Part 8   - Experimenting and Pivoting
Part 9   - What is a SuperDAC?
Part 10 - BitShares Unleashed

Serves as a refreshing antidote for rabid trolls who post unsubstantiated FUD in other people's threads.  Smiley

Then check out what BitShares has become now - an entire ecosystem has grown up around it with entrepreneurs basing their own businesses on it.  These businesses put together a monthly newsletter called the NullStreet Journal to report on their activities and progress.



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March 17, 2015, 02:10:27 AM
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So. What did we miss? Grin Was there coffee?

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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March 17, 2015, 04:08:25 AM
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There was some tasty coffee, I had a green tea myself. Urban Bean is the first cafe in Detroit to take bitcoin, so it seemed fitting to hold the meetup there.

As people were showing up, we caught up a few people new to cryptocurrency on how Bitcoin and mining worked, and then talked about BitShares for a while, using delegates to bootstrap projects, and some interesting use cases for user issued assets. We touched on other topics like monetary systems, gold standard, tax implications of cryptocurrency, and what we could do in the short term to promote cryptocurrency in Detroit. There were 8 of us, I'm happy with that. Had some last minute cancelations that will hopefully come out next month.

After a few of us went across the street to another attendees apartment and drank some scotch. A few of the other attendees are from a local hackerspace. We are going to go talk to them about cryptocurrencies next. Lots of things to do... like make a slide deck.

We distributed some resources to the attendees to pass along to friends and read... brochures targeting early adopters, some hard copies of the Nullstreet journal, and some BitShares notes I outlined.

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March 17, 2015, 03:15:20 PM
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If you would less read Wikipedia then you would know that Protoshares was a scam and how they fucked their investors with this Coin change, which is also a big con.
While still trying to fool people because they think no one will ever notice what they have done.

Strange that there is also no mention of the CPU instamine of Protoshares while they closed all pools. You should know i was following your coin from the start, so don't even try to bullshit me.

After your coin was almost fully mined you had the idea to make a coin without miners, well done...

It was a new algo (momentum proof of work) there were no pools at start. Wallet mining only for the first week or two. Then YPool picked it up and made a cpu miner then a month or two later gpu miners came out. Distribution was very good.

As for the last sentence of your post I don't really know what your trying to convey. The purpose of Protoshares was to transfer wealth to Bitshares from the very beginning. That's why everyone mined it hard. They knew the value of what Daniel and his team were working on. Everyone who held for the snapshot made a killing. The cool thing was that they still kept their Protoshares and they retained some value. Along with their share of Bitshares. I think maybe you missed the boat.





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