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March 04, 2015, 03:28:26 AM
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Analysts have proposed a variety of explanations for America's hyperactive, oversized militarism. Here are the top three:

1. The US government has been captured by the military-industrial complex, which demands to be financed lavishly. Rationales are created artificially to achieve that result. But there does seem to be some sort of pressure to actually make weapons and field armies, because wouldn't it be far more cost-effective to achieve full-spectrum failure simply by stealing all the money and skip building the weapons systems altogether? So something else must be going on.
 
2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
 
3. The US acts militarily to defend the status of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. But the US dollar is slowly but surely losing its attractiveness as a reserve currency, as witnessed by China and Russia acting as swiftly as they can to unload their US dollar reserves, and to stockpile gold instead. Numerous other nations have entered into arrangements with each other to stop using the US dollar in international trade. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge military to flush one's national currency down the toilet, so, once again, something else must be going on.
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There's plenty more and I would add that this is a great representation of what really goes on with the US military and those that have commandeered the US govt...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/financial-collapse-leads-war
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March 04, 2015, 10:10:18 AM
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2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
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Why does it not sound like success (let alone being a failure), given the time span of a few decades (actually since the Second World War)? The primary U.S. export goods is the U.S. dollar (in the form of Treasuries or whatever), and the US military serves to support its position.
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March 04, 2015, 05:17:09 PM
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Analysts have proposed a variety of explanations for America's hyperactive, oversized militarism. Here are the top three:

1. The US government has been captured by the military-industrial complex, which demands to be financed lavishly. Rationales are created artificially to achieve that result. But there does seem to be some sort of pressure to actually make weapons and field armies, because wouldn't it be far more cost-effective to achieve full-spectrum failure simply by stealing all the money and skip building the weapons systems altogether? So something else must be going on.
 
2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
 
3. The US acts militarily to defend the status of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. But the US dollar is slowly but surely losing its attractiveness as a reserve currency, as witnessed by China and Russia acting as swiftly as they can to unload their US dollar reserves, and to stockpile gold instead. Numerous other nations have entered into arrangements with each other to stop using the US dollar in international trade. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge military to flush one's national currency down the toilet, so, once again, something else must be going on.
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There's plenty more and I would add that this is a great representation of what really goes on with the US military and those that have commandeered the US govt...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/financial-collapse-leads-war
Reads liked the crazed speculations of a teenager on PCP and meth.

Never correctly attributes "failure" to the current POTUS, who owns a fair share of it.

Engages in over broad generalizations both of cause and effects.
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March 04, 2015, 06:11:38 PM
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Analysts have proposed a variety of explanations for America's hyperactive, oversized militarism. Here are the top three:

1. The US government has been captured by the military-industrial complex, which demands to be financed lavishly. Rationales are created artificially to achieve that result. But there does seem to be some sort of pressure to actually make weapons and field armies, because wouldn't it be far more cost-effective to achieve full-spectrum failure simply by stealing all the money and skip building the weapons systems altogether? So something else must be going on.
 
2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
 
3. The US acts militarily to defend the status of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. But the US dollar is slowly but surely losing its attractiveness as a reserve currency, as witnessed by China and Russia acting as swiftly as they can to unload their US dollar reserves, and to stockpile gold instead. Numerous other nations have entered into arrangements with each other to stop using the US dollar in international trade. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge military to flush one's national currency down the toilet, so, once again, something else must be going on.
...

There's plenty more and I would add that this is a great representation of what really goes on with the US military and those that have commandeered the US govt...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/financial-collapse-leads-war

Don't know if there is an objective to fail. Seems more like bad policies being followed. But I wouldn't say only the current administration is to blame. The general policy has been the same for over a century at least. Maybe it was most successful when America had half of the wealth on the world. And the other major powers were practically destroyed after ww2. But not so much now that there is a greater distribution of wealth and power.

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March 05, 2015, 01:54:48 AM
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Analysts have proposed a variety of explanations for America's hyperactive, oversized militarism. Here are the top three:

1. The US government has been captured by the military-industrial complex, which demands to be financed lavishly. Rationales are created artificially to achieve that result. But there does seem to be some sort of pressure to actually make weapons and field armies, because wouldn't it be far more cost-effective to achieve full-spectrum failure simply by stealing all the money and skip building the weapons systems altogether? So something else must be going on.
 
2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
 
3. The US acts militarily to defend the status of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. But the US dollar is slowly but surely losing its attractiveness as a reserve currency, as witnessed by China and Russia acting as swiftly as they can to unload their US dollar reserves, and to stockpile gold instead. Numerous other nations have entered into arrangements with each other to stop using the US dollar in international trade. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge military to flush one's national currency down the toilet, so, once again, something else must be going on.
...

There's plenty more and I would add that this is a great representation of what really goes on with the US military and those that have commandeered the US govt...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/financial-collapse-leads-war

Don't know if there is an objective to fail. Seems more like bad policies being followed. But I wouldn't say only the current administration is to blame. The general policy has been the same for over a century at least. Maybe it was most successful when America had half of the wealth on the world. And the other major powers were practically destroyed after ww2. But not so much now that there is a greater distribution of wealth and power.


The way I see it this MIC wants the foreign policy to be of constant interventionism so those in this line of business and investing are constantly making money and getting contracts to develop more tech and weaponry. So, those in the Pentagon and State Dept have unlimited toys, money and lives to play around with and the concept of failing w/ any of their plans never meets w/ penalties. The more you can spend the more you can justify an increase in your budget the next year and we all know that the military gets a blank check and much of the public either has no say in the matter or they're for it because military spending has been conflated w/ supporting the troops and national defense. Like General Smedley Butler said and wrote a book about, "War is a Racket". Remains a salient point to this day even tho we don't declare wars anymore.
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March 05, 2015, 02:12:25 AM
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US were a war driven nation from their creation, it doesnt come as a surprise the fact that most of their money goes to stockpiling weapons and troops.

I believe that its not only the financial collapse that drives them into a fight, its the military collapse that makes them roll other people's boats; what good is there if you have an expencive toy and you cant use it - you know you will find/make a good explanation to use it anyway..

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March 05, 2015, 06:58:32 AM
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US were a war driven nation from their creation, it doesnt come as a surprise the fact that most of their money goes to stockpiling weapons and troops.

How's that? If we look through history, it becomes pretty evident that they got their present position through not directly partaking in the world wars, but primarily due to loans to belligerent countries. Yes, they got attacked by the imperial Japan, but this warfare was nothing to what European countries went through.

I believe that its not only the financial collapse that drives them into a fight, its the military collapse that makes them roll other people's boats; what good is there if you have an expencive toy and you cant use it - you know you will find/make a good explanation to use it anyway

Their military serves the only purpose, i.e. to support the U.S. economic dominance. If they somehow lose that dominance in the end (despite their military), there will be no use for all their 700+ military bases scattered all over the world.
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March 05, 2015, 08:00:48 AM
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Analysts have proposed a variety of explanations for America's hyperactive, oversized militarism. Here are the top three:

1. The US government has been captured by the military-industrial complex, which demands to be financed lavishly. Rationales are created artificially to achieve that result. But there does seem to be some sort of pressure to actually make weapons and field armies, because wouldn't it be far more cost-effective to achieve full-spectrum failure simply by stealing all the money and skip building the weapons systems altogether? So something else must be going on.
 
2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
 
3. The US acts militarily to defend the status of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. But the US dollar is slowly but surely losing its attractiveness as a reserve currency, as witnessed by China and Russia acting as swiftly as they can to unload their US dollar reserves, and to stockpile gold instead. Numerous other nations have entered into arrangements with each other to stop using the US dollar in international trade. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge military to flush one's national currency down the toilet, so, once again, something else must be going on.
...

There's plenty more and I would add that this is a great representation of what really goes on with the US military and those that have commandeered the US govt...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/financial-collapse-leads-war

Don't know if there is an objective to fail. Seems more like bad policies being followed. But I wouldn't say only the current administration is to blame. The general policy has been the same for over a century at least. Maybe it was most successful when America had half of the wealth on the world. And the other major powers were practically destroyed after ww2. But not so much now that there is a greater distribution of wealth and power.


The way I see it this MIC wants the foreign policy to be of constant interventionism so those in this line of business and investing are constantly making money and getting contracts to develop more tech and weaponry. So, those in the Pentagon and State Dept have unlimited toys, money and lives to play around with and the concept of failing w/ any of their plans never meets w/ penalties. The more you can spend the more you can justify an increase in your budget the next year and we all know that the military gets a blank check and much of the public either has no say in the matter or they're for it because military spending has been conflated w/ supporting the troops and national defense. Like General Smedley Butler said and wrote a book about, "War is a Racket". Remains a salient point to this day even tho we don't declare wars anymore.

Exactly, there's a lot of money to be made in just the logistics of making war, then there's the rebuilding of destroyed infrastructure and buildings after the war machine has moved on, as well. There aren't many building contracts to be had in an area that's already developed... unless you destroy it, of course. There's also the simple prospect of acquisitions too. Like Baron Rothschild said, "The time to buy is when there's blood in the streets."

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