Bitcoin and macroeconomics: what influences BTC price

[Natalia_AnatolioPAMM]

I think it simply boils down to supply and demand. If people are paying less and buying less the price goes down. If more people buy the price will go up. When demand outweighs supply the price goes up drastically until it finally balances out and the cycles eventually continues.

the most sensible explanation concerning bitcoin so far, i think.

[arallmuus]

the reason is simple, whales playing with the market

this is why adoption is needed, having few people with 10k coins each , can only lead to volatility and manipulation

And they're definitely enjoying the game they made all by themselves. Put in a large amount of new players (or adopters), even the small fishes, then definitely this whales will feel to weak against several schools roaming around their once controlled ecosystem.

THEY influence the price! TPTB, the ones who have the stock markets high and gold/silver low!

the influence will keep on happening even if there are thousand of new adopters, because a whale actually didnt work alone but consist of a group of few whale, 10k coins + bot cant actually manipulate the price if you work alone, a group, then yes it can be easily manipulate

And dont forget the actual cause of the volatility will be that there isnt actually a demand yet for bitcoin, so instead of treating it like a stock which has some fixed value, people actually treat bitcoin to be a trading instrumental, because the volatility is great and trader love it

Yes. A whale or a group of whales can cause some serious ripples in the water, but not all whales move synchronized. The contrasting ideas and actions of two whales (or even different groups of whales) can again cause some serious disturbances in an ecosystem. There goes those weenie fishes swimming around, hoping to fit in this new kind of environment. A whale can drive the price down, yes, but if there is enough support coming from a multitude of small fishes, then the result should be somewhat minimal, as the forces of the multitude fishes opposes the power of one single Moby Dick. But what about group of whales? Well that is another question.

If bitcoin sees serious massive adoption, then these whales can have their forces decreased, but still they can affect the markets significantly. The different forces that affects the markets are somewhat complicated to understand--which makes it more interesting to see what's in store for bitcoin given that there are whales and fishes that swim around this ever-growing ecosystem.

There are actually no different "forces" just actually different "whales" to force the market to go into a manipulation state
And about massive adoption. We cant really have a massive adoption "yet" simply because the major use of bitcoin is to be a currency, no one wants a currency with such high volatility, perhaps not now, but soon

[dothebeats]

the reason is simple, whales playing with the market

this is why adoption is needed, having few people with 10k coins each , can only lead to volatility and manipulation

And they're definitely enjoying the game they made all by themselves. Put in a large amount of new players (or adopters), even the small fishes, then definitely this whales will feel to weak against several schools roaming around their once controlled ecosystem.

THEY influence the price! TPTB, the ones who have the stock markets high and gold/silver low!

the influence will keep on happening even if there are thousand of new adopters, because a whale actually didnt work alone but consist of a group of few whale, 10k coins + bot cant actually manipulate the price if you work alone, a group, then yes it can be easily manipulate

And dont forget the actual cause of the volatility will be that there isnt actually a demand yet for bitcoin, so instead of treating it like a stock which has some fixed value, people actually treat bitcoin to be a trading instrumental, because the volatility is great and trader love it

Yes. A whale or a group of whales can cause some serious ripples in the water, but not all whales move synchronized. The contrasting ideas and actions of two whales (or even different groups of whales) can again cause some serious disturbances in an ecosystem. There goes those weenie fishes swimming around, hoping to fit in this new kind of environment. A whale can drive the price down, yes, but if there is enough support coming from a multitude of small fishes, then the result should be somewhat minimal, as the forces of the multitude fishes opposes the power of one single Moby Dick. But what about group of whales? Well that is another question.

If bitcoin sees serious massive adoption, then these whales can have their forces decreased, but still they can affect the markets significantly. The different forces that affects the markets are somewhat complicated to understand--which makes it more interesting to see what's in store for bitcoin given that there are whales and fishes that swim around this ever-growing ecosystem.

There are actually no different "forces" just actually different "whales" to force the market to go into a manipulation state
And about massive adoption. We cant really have a massive adoption "yet" simply because the major use of bitcoin is to be a currency, no one wants a currency with such high volatility, perhaps not now, but soon

If you don't want to call it "forces" then "entity" might be a fitting name. Different entities affect the markets, and those entities have different ideas running on their minds. The market prices greatly, but not thoroughly depends on the consumers and the producers actions. It is still up to these entities in the markets whether or not the prices go up or down.

[arallmuus]

the reason is simple, whales playing with the market

this is why adoption is needed, having few people with 10k coins each , can only lead to volatility and manipulation

And they're definitely enjoying the game they made all by themselves. Put in a large amount of new players (or adopters), even the small fishes, then definitely this whales will feel to weak against several schools roaming around their once controlled ecosystem.

THEY influence the price! TPTB, the ones who have the stock markets high and gold/silver low!

the influence will keep on happening even if there are thousand of new adopters, because a whale actually didnt work alone but consist of a group of few whale, 10k coins + bot cant actually manipulate the price if you work alone, a group, then yes it can be easily manipulate

And dont forget the actual cause of the volatility will be that there isnt actually a demand yet for bitcoin, so instead of treating it like a stock which has some fixed value, people actually treat bitcoin to be a trading instrumental, because the volatility is great and trader love it

Yes. A whale or a group of whales can cause some serious ripples in the water, but not all whales move synchronized. The contrasting ideas and actions of two whales (or even different groups of whales) can again cause some serious disturbances in an ecosystem. There goes those weenie fishes swimming around, hoping to fit in this new kind of environment. A whale can drive the price down, yes, but if there is enough support coming from a multitude of small fishes, then the result should be somewhat minimal, as the forces of the multitude fishes opposes the power of one single Moby Dick. But what about group of whales? Well that is another question.

If bitcoin sees serious massive adoption, then these whales can have their forces decreased, but still they can affect the markets significantly. The different forces that affects the markets are somewhat complicated to understand--which makes it more interesting to see what's in store for bitcoin given that there are whales and fishes that swim around this ever-growing ecosystem.

There are actually no different "forces" just actually different "whales" to force the market to go into a manipulation state
And about massive adoption. We cant really have a massive adoption "yet" simply because the major use of bitcoin is to be a currency, no one wants a currency with such high volatility, perhaps not now, but soon

If you don't want to call it "forces" then "entity" might be a fitting name. Different entities affect the markets, and those entities have different ideas running on their minds. The market prices greatly, but not thoroughly depends on the consumers and the producers actions. It is still up to these entities in the markets whether or not the prices go up or down.

by what you mean of consumers and producers, does it refer to supply and demands? although there is actually a real demands over bitcoin but dont forget that the fact that there are lot of whale in the trading environment might be still be able to manipulate it, although the chance could be well slightly off

[GreenStox]

Bitcoins are something you read about daily, so you know their price is subject to volatility. But have you ever questioned yourself what are the reasons behind it?

- Read full article HERE

Well i dont think your article explains it very deeply it only states the obvious. Of course the bitcoin price increases when other fiat is poured into it. Thats a no brainer.

The real question is, what makes people invest in bitcoin with their fiat money? And the answer is mostly following good corporate news like here:
http://www.coindesk.com/companies/investors/

Most of those news outlined on that news site have moved the bitcoin price. And the negative news are generally the regulation & tax news or hack news.

Now thats the real answer.