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April 11, 2015, 01:04:26 AM
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Well, technically Tesla already predicted the internet and wireless power. After all, he pioneered those technologies.
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Well, technically Tesla already predicted the internet and wireless power. After all, he pioneered those technologies.
But not the Miracule of  Sending -

“Philosophers will bat around the ends and means hassle not knowing that sending can never be a means to anything but more sending, like Junk. Try using junk as a means to something else.... Some citizens with 'Coca Cola and aspirin' control habits will be talking about the evil glamor of sending. But no one will talk about anything very long. The Sender, he don't like talking.”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.
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Well, technically Tesla already predicted the internet and wireless power. After all, he pioneered those technologies.
But not the Miracule of  Sending -

“Philosophers will bat around the ends and means hassle not knowing that sending can never be a means to anything but more sending, like Junk. Try using junk as a means to something else.... Some citizens with 'Coca Cola and aspirin' control habits will be talking about the evil glamor of sending. But no one will talk about anything very long. The Sender, he don't like talking.”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.
(Red colorization mine.)

1. In defence and banking, failures of network security can have disastrous, real world effects.

2. Recovered materials are used to produce “recycled” goods.

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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April 11, 2015, 11:45:03 AM
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(sigh) I did not want to spend time doing this, but since I'm being accussed of lying, here's the evidence.

Trigger Warning: Seriously homophobic, racist and misogynistic language is used. I ordinarily would not use these words, but I think it's important to quote Burroughs' exact words. I am not making any of this up. These quotes are actually in the book Naked Lunch. There are many more examples I did not include. If you are emotionally effected by this kind of language you probably should skip this post.

Homophobia

Burroughs suggests someone can be 'made' homosexual by psychological tricks. We now know it is purely genetic, but this attitude reenforced the idea that it was a psychological disorder.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 26
You can make a square heterosex citizen queer with this angle . . .  that is, reinforce and second his rejection of normally latent homosexual trends -- at the same time depriving him of cunt and subjecting him to homosex stimulation.

Burroughs constantly falsely associates homosexuality with pedophilia. In this passage he portrays the anal rape of a young boy (in positive terms):

Quote from: Naked Lunch 68
"Stand up and turn around," he orders in telepathic pictographs. He ties the boy's hands behind him with a red silk cord. "Tonight we make it all the way."

"No, no!" screams the boy.

"Yes. Yes."

He then goes on to describe a violent sexual encounter between two young Arab boys. A parenthetical remark makes it clear that the author (Burroughs) has experience with the cock of Arab boys. He is writing what he knows. (You still deny he's a pedophile?!?)

Quote from: Naked Lunch 71
The other sighs deeply as Ali slides his cock in. The mouths grind together smearing blood. Sharp musty odor of penetrated rectum. Nimun drive in like a wedge, force jissom out the other cock in long hot spurts. (The author has observed that Arab cocks tend to be wide and wedge shaped.)

Racism

Burroughs often refers to blacks using the N-word. While this was common in the 1950s, it was also clearly a word used by racists. He seems to relish in referring to the way the American South dealt with unwanted African Americans.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 14
Back through Lake Charles and the dead slot-machine country, south end of Texas, nigger-killing sheriffs look us over and check the car papers.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 159
They burned that ol' nigger over in Cunt Lick. Nigger had the aftosa and it left him stone blind. . . . So this white girl down from Texarkana screeches out:

"Roy, that ol' nigger is looking at me so nasty. Land's sake I feel just dirty all over."

"Now, Sweet Thing, don't you fret yourself. Me an' the boys will burn him."

"Do it slow, Honey Face. Do it slow. He's give me a sick headache."

So they burned the nigger

Here he goes so far as to suggest African Americans are a form of animal, like a cow.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 160
And he plunged into an anecdote about a nigra got the hydrophobia from a cow.

"So my pappy says to me: 'Finish up your chores, son, and let's go see the mad nigger. . . .' They had that nigger chained to the bed, and he was bawling like a cow. . . . I soon got enough of that ol' nigger."

Here is a passage which is promotes a disgusting stereotype about Jews.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 161
The clerk looked at the card suspiciously: "You don't look like a one feed mast-fed Razor Back to me. . . . What you think about the Jeeeeews . . . ?"

"Well, Mr. Anker, you know yourself all a Jew wants to do is doodle a Christian girl. . . . One of these days we'll cut the rest of it off."

Some of the worst passages are very Islamophobic. Here Burroughs suggests Mohammed (pbuh) did not even exist!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 104
Mohammed? Are you kidding? He was dreamed up by the Mecca Chamber of Commerce. An Egyptian ad man on the skids from the sauce write the continuity.

Here he promotes conspiratorial thinking about Islam.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
The exact objectives of Islam Inc. are obscure. Needless to say everyone involved has a different angle, and they all intend to cross each other up somewhere along the line.

Then he slurs Arabs as ignorant.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
Nice folks, these Arabs . . . Nice ignorant folk.

I wish I could be finished with this section already. It's so sickening. But there are two more examples I felt compelled to include.

This one is Islamophobic with a dash of racism against the Chinese on the side.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 101
A funeral passes through the market. Black coffin -- Arabic inscriptions in filigreed silver -- carried by four pallbearers. Procession of mourners singing the funeral song . . . Clem and Jody fall in beside them carrying coffin, the corpse of a hog bursts out of it. . . . The hog is dressed in a djellaba, a keif pipe juts from its mouth, one hoof holds a packet of feelthy pictures, a mezuzzoth hangs about its neck. . . . Inscribed on the coffin: "This was the noblest Arab of them all."

They sing hideous parody of the funeral song in false Arabic. Jody can do a fake Chinese spiel that'll just kill you -- like a hysterical ventriloquist's dummy. In fact, he precipitated an anti-foreign riot in Shanghai that claimed 3,000 casualties.

"Stand up, Gertie, and show respect for the local gooks."

"I suppose one should."

And finally there is racism mixed with homophobia.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 143-144
When arrested for sodomy in Indonesia, Clem said to the examining magistrate:

"'Tain't as if it was being queer. After all they's only Gooks."

They appeared in Liberia dressed in black Stetsons and red galluses:

"So I shoot that old nigger and he flop on his side one leg up in the air just akicking."

"Yeah, but you ever burn a nigger?"

Ugh.

Misogyny

Finally we come to the misogyny. Misogynistic words are scattered throughout the text. I'll start with two short examples.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 76
You cheap Factualist bitch!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 80
Cunts, pricks, fence straddlers, tonight I give you -- that international-known impressario of blue movies and short-wave TV, the one, the only, The Great Shlahstubitch!

Here is a little "joke" combining misogyny with transphobia. Disgusting.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 78
And now gentlemen -- I trust there are no transvestites present -- he he -- and you are all gentlemen by act of Congress it being only remain to establish you male humans, positively no Transitionals in either direction will be allowed in this decent hall.

These quotes combine misogynistic and homophobic slurs.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 136
If your tits won't stop them bring up your cunts and confound these faggots.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 140
Elegant fags and old cunts

Again, this passage can be seen as both homophobic and misogynistic. I include it here because it's clear that he's suggesting females are the "weaker" sex.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 79
Fag Baboon dressed in little girl blue dress sings in resigned voice to tune of Alice Blue Gown: "I'm the weakest baboon of them all."

In this passage Burroughs describes the result of a father sending his son to a prostitute. At this point the misogyny turns quite violent.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 108
"Well, son, did you get a piece of ass?"

"Yeah. This gash comes to the door, and I say I want a piece of ass and lay the double sawski on her. We go up to her trap, and she remove the dry goods. So I switch my blade and cut a big hunk off her ass, she raise a beef like I am reduce to pull off one shoe and beat her brains out. Then I hump her for kicks."

The following passage is an example that combines condemnation of matriarchy with misinformation about homosexuality. To top it off it ends with an Islamophobic slur.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 34
Remember the Bismarck Achipelago. No overt homosexuality. A functioning police state needs no police. Homosexuality does not occur to anyone as conceivable behavior. . . . Homosexuality is a political crime in a matriarchy. No society tolerates overt rejection of its basic tenets. We aren't a matriarchy here, Insh'allah.


I apologize again for having to expose you to this vile language, but what Burroughs has written in his book Naked Lunch was unacceptable in 1959 and is unacceptable today. Fortunately we live in a somewhat more enlightened time and people who say the kinds of things he said are now largely rejected from polite society. I have no idea why the OP is trying to push this absolutely sick bigot and his writings onto the people of this forum.

Yuo understand no.  It is necesaary to translate from the two languages to udnerstand.  First the 50s talk becomes 2015 talk, then is clear what means.

Indeeed you have this very correct. People do not no the Naked Lunch must in 50s talk read. Otherwise misinterpretations have mustnecessary.

I have sadly to be spending my morning redding such misunderstandings as beatophobe writes. Why soo much hate?

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April 11, 2015, 11:49:08 AM
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Friend, I heeded your wise council and have begnu reading and I find in amazement and wonder these profitic words.

“Couldn't there be more than one Sender?"

"Oh yes, many of them at first. But not for long. Some maudlin citizens will think they can send something edifying, not realizing that sending is evil. Scientists will say: 'Sending is like atomic power.... If properly harnessed.' ”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.




PREDICTION OF THE INTERNET AND THE SENDING OF MESSAGES!



And again have you very much correctness within your words. BURROGHS new of INTERNET and the miriculs of TPC IP long before discovery by the modern science and wrote of it already more than 50 Year Ago! Wonders do not seas!

If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
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Friend, I heeded your wise council and have begnu reading and I find in amazement and wonder these profitic words.

“Couldn't there be more than one Sender?"

"Oh yes, many of them at first. But not for long. Some maudlin citizens will think they can send something edifying, not realizing that sending is evil. Scientists will say: 'Sending is like atomic power.... If properly harnessed.' ”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.




PREDICTION OF THE INTERNET AND THE SENDING OF MESSAGES!

“The end of time will not come until someone will tell a lie and it will immediately reach the horizons of the Earth” - Muhammad(PBUH)

Obviously you need technology to do such things, and such technology was not available before (except through a miracle). Note that it talks about reaching the "horizons of the Earth" and "immediately". This is done by the Internet and television, hence the "world wide web" (www). The satellite covers the whole world. Imagine how can anyone predict such a thing 1500 years ago, especially in a desert Arab society?

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Homophobia

Burroughs suggests someone can be 'made' homosexual by psychological tricks. We now know it is purely genetic, but this attitude reenforced the idea that it was a psychological disorder.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 26
You can make a square heterosex citizen queer with this angle . . .  that is, reinforce and second his rejection of normally latent homosexual trends -- at the same time depriving him of cunt and subjecting him to homosex stimulation.

Misinterpretation.

WSB with this writing is bringing to the heterosex community a better understanding of homo brotheres. We are all as 1 when sitting at the table of the Naked Lunch.

Burroughs constantly falsely associates homosexuality with pedophilia. In this passage he portrays the anal rape of a young boy (in positive terms):

Quote from: Naked Lunch 68
"Stand up and turn around," he orders in telepathic pictographs. He ties the boy's hands behind him with a red silk cord. "Tonight we make it all the way."

"No, no!" screams the boy.

"Yes. Yes."

Misinterpretation.

The boy rape is symbolic of ur all loss of our inner cents as we encounter the junk in adulthood. It is critique of consumersm forced on children by the capitalism. The capitalism takes all our cents away. WSB new this all the way in 1959, long before Marx!

He then goes on to describe a violent sexual encounter between two young Arab boys. A parenthetical remark makes it clear that the author (Burroughs) has experience with the cock of Arab boys. He is writing what he knows. (You still deny he's a pedophile?!?)

Quote from: Naked Lunch 71
The other sighs deeply as Ali slides his cock in. The mouths grind together smearing blood. Sharp musty odor of penetrated rectum. Nimun drive in like a wedge, force jissom out the other cock in long hot spurts. (The author has observed that Arab cocks tend to be wide and wedge shaped.)

Mistranslation.

In the 50s talk, cock only meant rooster not the penis, and the jissom is a spicy sauce. Please read passage again. It is only Arab recipe.

Racism

Burroughs often refers to blacks using the N-word. While this was common in the 1950s, it was also clearly a word used by racists. He seems to relish in referring to the way the American South dealt with unwanted African Americans.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 14
Back through Lake Charles and the dead slot-machine country, south end of Texas, nigger-killing sheriffs look us over and check the car papers.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 159
They burned that ol' nigger over in Cunt Lick. Nigger had the aftosa and it left him stone blind. . . . So this white girl down from Texarkana screeches out:

"Roy, that ol' nigger is looking at me so nasty. Land's sake I feel just dirty all over."

"Now, Sweet Thing, don't you fret yourself. Me an' the boys will burn him."

"Do it slow, Honey Face. Do it slow. He's give me a sick headache."

So they burned the nigger

Here he goes so far as to suggest African Americans are a form of animal, like a cow.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 160
And he plunged into an anecdote about a nigra got the hydrophobia from a cow.

"So my pappy says to me: 'Finish up your chores, son, and let's go see the mad nigger. . . .' They had that nigger chained to the bed, and he was bawling like a cow. . . . I soon got enough of that ol' nigger."

Very Misinterpretation!

Here is WSB reflecting the racist attitudes of the 50s as manner of saying they have bad! These passages are anti-racist!

Here is a passage which is promotes a disgusting stereotype about Jews.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 161
The clerk looked at the card suspiciously: "You don't look like a one feed mast-fed Razor Back to me. . . . What you think about the Jeeeeews . . . ?"

"Well, Mr. Anker, you know yourself all a Jew wants to do is doodle a Christian girl. . . . One of these days we'll cut the rest of it off."

Mistranslation.

This passage does not occur in original Naked Lunch. There are false editions put out by Zionists and this hoax passge is edded by Zionists to gain sympathy. You must read real Naked Lunch!

Some of the worst passages are very Islamophobic. Here Burroughs suggests Mohammed (pbuh) did not even exist!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 104
Mohammed? Are you kidding? He was dreamed up by the Mecca Chamber of Commerce. An Egyptian ad man on the skids from the sauce write the continuity.

Here he promotes conspiratorial thinking about Islam.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
The exact objectives of Islam Inc. are obscure. Needless to say everyone involved has a different angle, and they all intend to cross each other up somewhere along the line.

Then he slurs Arabs as ignorant.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 145
Nice folks, these Arabs . . . Nice ignorant folk.

Out of Context.

In context of Lunch all is more clerly. Islam Inc. is not religion of Islam, but secret Benway corporate project. Please reed again.

I wish I could be finished with this section already. It's so sickening. But there are two more examples I felt compelled to include.

This one is Islamophobic with a dash of racism against the Chinese on the side.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 101
A funeral passes through the market. Black coffin -- Arabic inscriptions in filigreed silver -- carried by four pallbearers. Procession of mourners singing the funeral song . . . Clem and Jody fall in beside them carrying coffin, the corpse of a hog bursts out of it. . . . The hog is dressed in a djellaba, a keif pipe juts from its mouth, one hoof holds a packet of feelthy pictures, a mezuzzoth hangs about its neck. . . . Inscribed on the coffin: "This was the noblest Arab of them all."

They sing hideous parody of the funeral song in false Arabic. Jody can do a fake Chinese spiel that'll just kill you -- like a hysterical ventriloquist's dummy. In fact, he precipitated an anti-foreign riot in Shanghai that claimed 3,000 casualties.

"Stand up, Gertie, and show respect for the local gooks."

"I suppose one should."

This one includion by u I find verrry strange. Reeding it makes clear it anti-racist. Says very clearly "show respect for the local gooks." How reed you this as racist?

And finally there is racism mixed with homophobia.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 143-144
When arrested for sodomy in Indonesia, Clem said to the examining magistrate:

"'Tain't as if it was being queer. After all they's only Gooks."

They appeared in Liberia dressed in black Stetsons and red galluses:

"So I shoot that old nigger and he flop on his side one leg up in the air just akicking."

"Yeah, but you ever burn a nigger?"

Out of Context.

Clem and frend are villanous. Excerpt proves this. Not supporting racism and homophobia at all!

Misogyny

Finally we come to the misogyny. Misogynistic words are scattered throughout the text. I'll start with two short examples.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 76
You cheap Factualist bitch!

Quote from: Naked Lunch 80
Cunts, pricks, fence straddlers, tonight I give you -- that international-known impressario of blue movies and short-wave TV, the one, the only, The Great Shlahstubitch!

These quotes combine misogynistic and homophobic slurs.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 136
If your tits won't stop them bring up your cunts and confound these faggots.

Out of Context.

In the context of the lunch, these are showing the strength and power of the female spirits.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 140
Elegant fags and old cunts

Out of Context.

Full quote is:

Quote from: Naked Lunch 140
Elegant fags and old cunts, God damn it! We come to the right place.

Why you leave out the positive part? WSB is promoting support of homos and elderly females, not hate! Some of greatest leeders today are the homos and elderly femals, so just look how much rpogress comes by the Naked Lunch!

In this passage Burroughs describes the result of a father sending his son to a prostitute. At this point the misogyny turns quite violent.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 108
"Well, son, did you get a piece of ass?"

"Yeah. This gash comes to the door, and I say I want a piece of ass and lay the double sawski on her. We go up to her trap, and she remove the dry goods. So I switch my blade and cut a big hunk off her ass, she raise a beef like I am reduce to pull off one shoe and beat her brains out. Then I hump her for kicks."

Misinterpretation.

The intention of passage is to show enherent problem of communication (passing of messages). "Piece of ass" was meant to be sexual congress, but boy has misunderstanding, much like your misundersting of the Lunch.

The following passage is an example that combines condemnation of matriarchy with misinformation about homosexuality. To top it off it ends with an Islamophobic slur.

Quote from: Naked Lunch 34
Remember the Bismarck Achipelago. No overt homosexuality. A functioning police state needs no police. Homosexuality does not occur to anyone as conceivable behavior. . . . Homosexuality is a political crime in a matriarchy. No society tolerates overt rejection of its basic tenets. We aren't a matriarchy here, Insh'allah.


Misinterpretation.

Passage examins how society can function without police, with acceptance of basic tennants of society by all. When occurs, all well be 1. There is no compulsion in the Naked Lunch.

As I am sad u were having such hate, have I also gladness that I can help bring you to true understanding of the Naked Lunch. I am hoping you will open ur eyes to the truth and let go of hatred.

If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
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Friend, I heeded your wise council and have begnu reading and I find in amazement and wonder these profitic words.

“Couldn't there be more than one Sender?"

"Oh yes, many of them at first. But not for long. Some maudlin citizens will think they can send something edifying, not realizing that sending is evil. Scientists will say: 'Sending is like atomic power.... If properly harnessed.' ”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.




PREDICTION OF THE INTERNET AND THE SENDING OF MESSAGES!

“The end of time will not come until someone will tell a lie and it will immediately reach the horizons of the Earth” - Muhammad(PBUH)

Obviously you need technology to do such things, and such technology was not available before (except through a miracle). Note that it talks about reaching the "horizons of the Earth" and "immediately". This is done by the Internet and television, hence the "world wide web" (www). The satellite covers the whole world. Imagine how can anyone predict such a thing 1500 years ago, especially in a desert Arab society?
On level flat ground the "horizons" are about ten kilometers away....
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Yes, I promise miracle everyday. Today I ensure all know the miracle found by Spendulus. Tomorrow will be new miralce presentation.

MIRACLE #3: PREDICTION OF THE INTERNET AND THE SENDING OF MESSAGES!

Friend, I heeded your wise council and have begnu reading and I find in amazement and wonder these profitic words.

“Couldn't there be more than one Sender?"

"Oh yes, many of them at first. But not for long. Some maudlin citizens will think they can send something edifying, not realizing that sending is evil. Scientists will say: 'Sending is like atomic power.... If properly harnessed.' ”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.




PREDICTION OF THE INTERNET AND THE SENDING OF MESSAGES!


Well, technically Tesla already predicted the internet and wireless power. After all, he pioneered those technologies.
But not the Miracule of  Sending -

“Philosophers will bat around the ends and means hassle not knowing that sending can never be a means to anything but more sending, like Junk. Try using junk as a means to something else.... Some citizens with 'Coca Cola and aspirin' control habits will be talking about the evil glamor of sending. But no one will talk about anything very long. The Sender, he don't like talking.”

Excerpt From: William S. Burroughs. “Naked Lunch.” iBooks.

If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
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April 11, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
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=snip=

“The end of time will not come until someone will tell a lie and it will immediately reach the horizons of the Earth” - Muhammad(PBUH)

Obviously you need technology to do such things, and such technology was not available before (except through a miracle). Note that it talks about reaching the "horizons of the Earth" and "immediately". This is done by the Internet and television, hence the "world wide web" (www). The satellite covers the whole world. Imagine how can anyone predict such a thing 1500 years ago, especially in a desert Arab society?
On level flat ground the "horizons" are about ten kilometers away....

Quote from: Wikipedia
For an observer on the ground with eye level at h = 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m), the horizon is at a distance of 2.9 miles (4.7 km). For an observer standing on a hill or tower 100 feet (30 m) in height, the horizon is at a distance of 12.2 miles (19.6 km).

However, if it was about a small distance, only "horizon" was needed. It is mentioned "horizons of the Earth" and also it is mentioned "immediately". Even with a fastest living thing you can use to send a message, you can't make it reach "immediately" even if it only covers 4.7 km.

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“The end of time will not come until someone will tell a lie and it will immediately reach the horizons of the Earth” - Muhammad(PBUH)

Obviously you need technology to do such things, and such technology was not available before (except through a miracle). Note that it talks about reaching the "horizons of the Earth" and "immediately". This is done by the Internet and television, hence the "world wide web" (www). The satellite covers the whole world. Imagine how can anyone predict such a thing 1500 years ago, especially in a desert Arab society?
On level flat ground the "horizons" are about ten kilometers away....

Quote from: Wikipedia
For an observer on the ground with eye level at h = 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m), the horizon is at a distance of 2.9 miles (4.7 km). For an observer standing on a hill or tower 100 feet (30 m) in height, the horizon is at a distance of 12.2 miles (19.6 km).

However, if it was about a small distance, only "horizon" was needed. It is mentioned "horizons of the Earth" and also it is mentioned "immediately". Even with a fastest living thing you can use to send a message, you can't make it reach "immediately" even if it only covers 4.7 km.
That's correct - I was thinking of when a ship's mast and sails would first be seen above the horizon.  More than 1.7 meters.

But regarding instant signalling -

American Indians did so with "smoke signals".

Ships at sea used various flags raised on masts for signaling.

Armies used various drums and so forth.

All of the above easily cover these distances.

But we are left with a problem here.  You would like to take verses in a book which are clearly open to multiple interpretations - then take ONE interpretation that indicates "Miracles."  Who gives you the right to pick one interpretation versus another?
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April 12, 2015, 08:52:47 AM
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Well well, I knew / know there is no such thing as a free lunch (although there is, from my individual, egotistical point of view), but fancy that I missed the naked lunch back 56 years ago or whatever. What interesting things have been going on that escaped me.  Wink

  
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April 12, 2015, 11:10:56 AM
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Well well, I knew / know there is no such thing as a free lunch (although there is, from my individual, egotistical point of view), but fancy that I missed the naked lunch back 56 years ago or whatever. What interesting things have been going on that escaped me.  Wink

  

Good fortune is it never to late too learn of TRUTH of Naked Lunch!

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April 12, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
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Miracle #4:

He leaps about the room. With a scream of longing that shatters the glass wall he leaps out into space. Masturbating end-over-end, three thousand feet down, his sperm floating beside him, he screams all the way against the shattering blue of sky, the rising sun burning over his body like gasoline, down past great oaks and persimmons, swamp cypress and mahogany, to shatter in liquid relief in a ruined square paved with limestone. (Naked Lunch 89)

Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.

Naked Lunch was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and queer) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by just normal man? Absolutely no chance!

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Miracle #4:

He leaps about the room. With a scream of longing that shatters the glass wall he leaps out into space. Masturbating end-over-end, three thousand feet down, his sperm floating beside him, he screams all the way against the shattering blue of sky, the rising sun burning over his body like gasoline, down past great oaks and persimmons, swamp cypress and mahogany, to shatter in liquid relief in a ruined square paved with limestone. (Naked Lunch 89)

Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.

Naked Lunch was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and queer) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by just normal man? Absolutely no chance!

Seriously? You're continuing this? Is this some kind of joke to you? Let me clue you in: this isn't funny!

The passage quoted above has absolutely nothing to do with "escape velocity." It's from one of the most disturbing and misogynistic parts of the book.

It starts off with two men and a woman engaging in consensual experimental sex. There's nothing wrong with that. Then it suddenly takes a very violent turn. Here is the passage in its proper context:

Quote from: Naked Lunch 89-90
"Let me hang you, Mark. . . . Let me hang you. . . . Please, Mark, let me hang you!"

"Sure baby." He pulls her brutally to her feet and pins her hands behind her.

"No, Mark!! No! No! No," she screams, shitting and pissing in terror as he drags her to the platform. He leaves her tied on the platform in a pile of old used condoms, while he adjusts the rope across the room . . . and comes back carrying the noose on a silver tray. He jerks her to her feet and tightens the noose. He sticks his cock up her and waltzes around the platform and off into space swinging in a great arc. . . . "Wheeeeee!" he screams, turning into Johnny. Her neck snaps. A great fluid wave undulates through her body. Johnny drops to the floor and stands poised and alert like a young animal.

He leaps about the room. With a scream of longing that shatters the glass wall he leaps out into space. Masturbating end-over-end, three thousand feet down, his sperm floating beside him, he screams all the way against the shattering blue of sky, the rising sun burning over his body like gasoline, down past great oaks and persimmons, swamp cypress and mahogany, to shatter in liquid relief in a ruined square paved with limestone. Weeds and vines grow between the stones, and rusty iron bolts three feet thick penetrate the white stone, stain it shit-brown of rust.

Johnny dowses Mary with gasoline from an obscene Chimu jar of white jade. . . . He anoints his own body. . . . They embrace, fall to the floor and roll under a great magnifying glass set in the roof . . . burst into flame with a cry that shatters the glass wall, roll into space, fucking and screaming through the air, burst in blood and flames and soot on brown rocks under a desert sun. Johnny leaps about the room in agony. With a scream that shatters the glass wall he stands spreadeagle to the rising sun, blood spurting out his cock . . . a white marble god, he plummets through epileptic explosions into the old Medjoub writhe in shit and rubbish by a mud wall under a sun that scar and grab the flesh into goose-pimples. . . . He is a boy sleeping against the mosque wall, ejaculates wet dreaming into a thousand cunts pink and smooth as sea shells, feeling the delight of prickly pubic hairs slide up his cock.

The woman is hanged, raped, killed and finally set on fire!

This "book" is pure hate speech. Anyone presenting it as a source of "truth" is engaging in a very dangerous game. There is no "truth" in this book. There is only hatred and ignorance.
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April 12, 2015, 12:44:18 PM
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IM just Going To lock This thread.

Im locking it Because: I dont Want to go for beatophobic Fitting Which i saw in last comments.

Hopeing all will continue though to seek Truth and not follow the heyterd.

Thanks

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