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May 03, 2015, 12:01:24 PM |
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According to a disturbingly pleasant graphic from Information is Beautiful entitled simply 20th Century Death, communism was the leading ideological cause of death between 1900 and 2000. The 94 million that perished in China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe easily (and tragically) trump the 28 million that died under fascist regimes during the same period. Infographics brought to you by your friendly capitalist. Please look the other way while we plunder yet another country not so near you, killing its population in the name of increasing our capital under the fig-leaf cover of "bringing democracy". When the more virulent form of oligarchic capitalism was brought into Russia, resulting in the "Wild 90s", it resulted in millions of deaths only in that decade alone. I always sort through tumblr's many porn pages to get the truth, seeking historical facts first, before any other places. Not from books made out of paper. Not from actual witnesses. I am guessing the message I get from your link is: "If capitalism did it, why be sad about communism killing people? Same thing..." What you are doing here is a classical form of Ad Hominem attack on the source, rather than addressing the material quoted. Beware, here be logical dragons. |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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Benjig
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May 03, 2015, 12:17:05 PM |
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In Capitalism we as a citizens have more liberty, maybe we have a big inequality but we have liberty.
In Communism, the governments use what they give to the citizens to control them, the only way Communism can be a good system is like the Spain town where there is some kind of agriculture company, every citizen has a job in there and all of them are paid equal no matter whats the position they have.
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Nemo1024
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May 03, 2015, 12:22:01 PM |
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In Capitalism we as a citizens have more liberty, maybe we have a big inequality but we have liberty.
In Communism, the governments use what they give to the citizens to control them, the only way Communism can be a good system is like the Spain town where there is some kind of agriculture company, every citizen has a job in there and all of them are paid equal no matter whats the position they have.
And that's the end-goal Communism that was sold to the people of Russia. The thing that was in USSR (or China or N.Korea) was/is not a Communism by a long shot. A Communist system implies volunteer altruism - you take only as much as you need, you contribute as much as you can. In an ideal Communism you have all the liberty, and the government would be almost non-existent/unnecessary. |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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Beliathon
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May 03, 2015, 01:11:58 PM |
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Do you know what Wilikon - I'm going to move to the US - I want to know, for once in my life, how it feels to be free  "We feel free because we lack the very language to articulate our unfreedom." -Slavoj Žižek, Welcome to the Desert of the Real |
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Wilikon (OP)
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May 03, 2015, 02:15:20 PM |
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According to a disturbingly pleasant graphic from Information is Beautiful entitled simply 20th Century Death, communism was the leading ideological cause of death between 1900 and 2000. The 94 million that perished in China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe easily (and tragically) trump the 28 million that died under fascist regimes during the same period. Infographics brought to you by your friendly capitalist. Please look the other way while we plunder yet another country not so near you, killing its population in the name of increasing our capital under the fig-leaf cover of "bringing democracy". When the more virulent form of oligarchic capitalism was brought into Russia, resulting in the "Wild 90s", it resulted in millions of deaths only in that decade alone. I always sort through tumblr's many porn pages to get the truth, seeking historical facts first, before any other places. Not from books made out of paper. Not from actual witnesses. I am guessing the message I get from your link is: "If capitalism did it, why be sad about communism killing people? Same thing..." What you are doing here is a classical form of Ad Hominem attack on the source, rather than addressing the material quoted. Beware, here be logical dragons.I went to that tumblr link. There was a laundry list. I tried to click on each entry for the source... Nothing worked. Plain text. So a kingdom with kings and queens is a capitalist system. Slave trades of blacks, STILL happening today under (for examples, but not exclusively) mostly muslim countries are based on a capitalist system... Etc... Etc. By that same logic the expansion of the soviet block to enslave all those nations was a capitalistic move. The tumblr link also states that every morning 77000 people get killed because of capitalism. Not 78015. Not 36981. 77000. Why? classical form of Ad Hominem attack on the source, rather than addressing the material quotedAren't you doing the same with my original post my dear logically puffed dragon?  |
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Nemo1024
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May 03, 2015, 09:40:32 PM
Last edit: May 03, 2015, 09:58:06 PM by Nemo1024 |
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According to a disturbingly pleasant graphic from Information is Beautiful entitled simply 20th Century Death, communism was the leading ideological cause of death between 1900 and 2000. The 94 million that perished in China, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe easily (and tragically) trump the 28 million that died under fascist regimes during the same period. Infographics brought to you by your friendly capitalist. Please look the other way while we plunder yet another country not so near you, killing its population in the name of increasing our capital under the fig-leaf cover of "bringing democracy". When the more virulent form of oligarchic capitalism was brought into Russia, resulting in the "Wild 90s", it resulted in millions of deaths only in that decade alone. I always sort through tumblr's many porn pages to get the truth, seeking historical facts first, before any other places. Not from books made out of paper. Not from actual witnesses. I am guessing the message I get from your link is: "If capitalism did it, why be sad about communism killing people? Same thing..." What you are doing here is a classical form of Ad Hominem attack on the source, rather than addressing the material quoted. Beware, here be logical dragons.I went to that tumblr link. There was a laundry list. I tried to click on each entry for the source... Nothing worked. Plain text. So a kingdom with kings and queens is a capitalist system. Slave trades of blacks, STILL happening today under (for examples, but not exclusively) mostly muslim countries are based on a capitalist system... Etc... Etc. By that same logic the expansion of the soviet block to enslave all those nations was a capitalistic move. The tumblr link also states that every morning 77000 people get killed because of capitalism. Not 78015. Not 36981. 77000. Why? classical form of Ad Hominem attack on the source, rather than addressing the material quotedAren't you doing the same with my original post my dear logically puffed dragon? Actually, no. When I said "Infographics brought to you by your friendly capitalist. Please look the other way while we plunder yet another country not so near you, killing its population in the name of increasing our capital under the fig-leaf cover of "bringing democracy"." I addressed the underlying motivation of capitalism there, connecting it to the lack of stat numbers for capitalism in that infographics. I don't mention - as I don't know - the source of where that infographics comes from. I also gave justification for the distrust of those numbers, using 10 years of Capitalism in Russian in the 90s as an example, which according to various ways of counting resulted in between 1 and 10 million lives lost. In your last post, you actually also gave a fair justification for your distrust in tumbler-numbers, which is not just "it's a porn site". |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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May 04, 2015, 08:23:32 PM |
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Yes, but what about the 55 million the common people of America killed through abortion freedom?  |
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