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May 08, 2015, 01:23:10 AM
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I thought hate-speech was already outlawed? Call someone a derogatory term for a jew or African American and you'll probably get arrested, but I bet you get a free pass on anti-muslim hatespeech. Guess there's always double standards.

Check it out. It's someone new who writes "jew" instead of "Jew." It's almost like there's one person with 100 alts.

"Hate speech" (i.e., speech powerful people want to suppress) is outlawed in most of the world. It's in the process of happening in the U. S. This is further evidence that the human race is earning extinction.

What? What does failing to capitalize the J in Jews have to do with anything?

I thought hate-speech was already outlawed? Call someone a derogatory term for a jew or African American and you'll probably get arrested, but I bet you get a free pass on anti-muslim hatespeech. Guess there's always double standards.


It is not. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/


Well you could link to a site selling cp or some site that is hosted in a specific country whilst being illegal in others so that doesn't necessarily prove anything. What is and what isn't hatespeech will also depend on a persons agenda. Take the Charlie Hebdo situation. Many were exercising their free speech to criticize Islam then a french comedian merely made a joke and said 'Charlie Coulibaly' and got arrested for it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/french-comedian-dieudonn-given-suspended-sentence-over-charlie-hebdo-joke-10117120.html


In this instance this thread is about freedom of speech in the USA only. The other countries and their laws do not matter here. In another thread? Sure.

The stormfront server is in the USA and is legal to operate because of the first amendment. A server with cp on it in the USA will be shut down as it is not free speech but a criminal enterprise with sick people that need to be destroyed, on sight.


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May 08, 2015, 04:42:04 AM
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I can support this either =)) If you know what i mean. =))  There are some types of a hate speech that should not be tolerated. For example if some person threatening to kill you.


Exhibit A: Islamic Imam Anjem Choudary told Pamela Geller tonight that she should be slaughtered for her Texas cartoon contest. Is that a threat... Or a direct threat?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3xuj-aJyaE


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May 08, 2015, 02:42:37 PM
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University of Minnesota Professors Told To Take Down Flyers For Event Featuring “Offensive” Mohammed Cartoon…






University of Minnesota faculty members were asked earlier this year to take down posters advertising an academic panel because they included an “offensive” recreated cartoon picture of Mohammed – the one made famous by Charlie Hebdo earlier this year.

The posters had advertised a panel discussion by various professors as well as a Minneapolis Star Tribune newspaper cartoonist. Co-sponsored by a dozen academic departments in the College of Liberal Arts following the attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in January, it was titled “Can One Laugh at Everything? Satire and Free Speech After Charlie” and intended to generate an academic discussion of the tragedy and its consequences.

Flyers promoting the event featured the now-infamous image of the prophet as it was printed in Charlie Hebdo. The word “censored” was stamped in red diagonally across the cartoon image.

The organizers discussed whether or not to put the cartoon image of Mohammad on the flyer, but eventually decided it would be appropriate given the subject of the event—free speech and satire, Inside Higher Ed reported this week. But after the flyers were distributed online and hung around campus, some members of the Muslim student community wanted them taken down.

In phone calls and a petition, nearly 275 people complained to the campus Office of Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action, calling the flyer “blasphemous” and insulting to Muslims, the Minnesota Daily campus newspaper reports. The complainants included students, faculty, a retired professor and random individuals unaffiliated with the university, who called the flyer “very offensive.”

The petition read in part that the flyer “violated our religious identity and hurt our deeply held religious affiliations for our beloved prophet (peace be upon him). Knowing that these caricatures hurt and are condemned by 1.75 billion Muslims in the world, the university should not have recirculated/reproduced them.”


http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/22367/


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May 08, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
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Regarding the University of Minnesota case:

I'm looking for the petition with the 260 or so signatures. I'd like all the names and whatever other information is on it. The only name I found by following links is Aisha Hassan, a freshman.

I'm also interesting in the names (and other information) of the university officials who made the decision.

If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
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May 08, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Last edit: May 08, 2015, 04:08:13 PM by J. J. Phillips
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This might be the same Aisha Hassan who signed the petition to take down the flyer with the Charlie Hebdo cartoon a the University of Minnesota. I don't know.

https://twitter.com/aishadenise08

Can anyone confirm? She's obviously Muslim and has a problem with "right wing xenophobes," so she fits the stereotype of a left wing fascist.

Edit: No I don't think this is her. This one graduated from University of Minnesota in 2013. The article said the Aisha Hassan who signed the petition was a freshman. Obviously my doxxing skills need practice.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians
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May 08, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
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The “assassin’s veto”


New York Daily News columnist Harry Siegel may not be a fan of Pamela Geller, but he’s much less a fan of those rushing to condemn her for her speech rather than lay blame at the feet of terrorists seeking to silence her. Having lived through the last round of Mohammed cartoon publications, Siegel blasts the media elite for missing the real threat while stroking their own egos by prioritizing their sneering at Geller over the threat to freedom of speech. In doing so, they are embracing the assassin’s veto, Siegel warns — after indulging in a short bout of sneering himself:


But the assassin’s veto, as historian Timothy Garton Ash termed “the use of violence to impose your taboos,” is pointed at her neck. The nastiness of her words, about “the savages” trying to impose Sharia law here, is no longer the issue.

The threat to Geller’s life for speaking is.

Yet many among the literati, who typically fancy themselves truth tellers and idol smashers, spent the last week competing to disdain the obvious and explain why the murdered Charlie Hebdo cartoonists weren’t worthy recipients of an award from a group dedicated to “defend(ing) writers endangered because of their work.”

One such useful idiot — who admits he’s never even read Hebdo — wrote “it seemed to me that ‘Je suis Charlie’ was a way for (Americans) to re-pledge their commitment to the War on Terror.” …

Flemming Rose, the editor who commissioned the 2006 Danish cartoons with little idea what he was getting into, and who a decade later still needs an armed guard (he and three colleagues are on an Al Qaeda-published hit list that also included Hebdo staffers), having survived several attempts on his life, explained why his paper didn’t run the French cartoons after those cartoonists were slaughtered: “Violence works. And sometimes the sword is mightier than the pen.”

He elaborated: “We caved in to intimidation. And I don’t think that we will get less intimidation because of that. Because we are telling the extremists that it works.”



We seem to have lost the sense of shared values we once held in free speech. At one time, that support for free speech had nothing to do with content — which is why the ACLU took the side of Nazis when they wanted to demonstrate in Skokie, Illinois in 1977, for instance, a city with a significant Jewish population. We all understood that everyone had a clear right to speak their opinions, especially in the context of a private meeting such as Geller, Robert Spencer, and Geert Wilders put on in Garland. Those who don’t agree don’t have to show up, and others can certainly disagree and criticize the event.

But when the bullets fly, we used to understand that taste was no longer the issue, and liberty is. Now, media elites and others have made defending liberty contingent on content. These same elites would hardly have criticized the speech of some in Ferguson if a couple of pro-police nuts showed up to shoot the crowd, and yet in this case the content of the speech is somehow the bigger problem than the violence two people attempted to use to silence it. That’s because the elites have decided that violent rhetoric toward the police fits within their tastes, while cartoons satirizing and criticizing Islam constitutes dangerous “hate speech” that offends their tastes. They don’t want to protect dissent — they want to enforce groupthink by putting dissent outside the bounds of free speech, for which the First Amendment was crafted.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/07/nydn-the-rush-among-the-elites-to-embrace-the-assassins-veto/


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Seriously: What happened to liberals? Defending the terrorists now (calling them 'killers', 'attackers'), and instead wanting to shut down the tools that made them so infamous during the viet nam war and in so many other political occasions...

I guess they are all dead.


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