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September 08, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
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This is an idea that I've been thinking about for a while but do not and surely never will have the time to properly implement. I'm posting it here in the hopes that someone else will, as I believe it is a service greatly needed by the bitcoin community. Especially in light of what's happened recently with Bitcoinica and now Bitfloor.

What I advocate would most accurately be called a bitcoin insurance company, but probably not what you think of when you hear those words. It is a security company that assumes the risk of theft or destruction of its clients bitcoins, in exchange for a premium and a contractual obligation to implement what the company determines to be minimally adequate security measures.

Should a theft/destruction occur, the company immediately pays out the value of the lost coins to the client, in exchange for ownership of the stolen/destroyed coins--the premium being an on-going option for the insurance company to buy the coins at face value. This is where it differs from a traditional insurance company: the company takes off its actuary hat and becomes a policing organization. The company has become the legal owner of the stolen or destroyed property, and it uses whatever legal means available to find the one responsible and extract restitution (NB: restitution, not retribution--I'm talking principal + interest + collection fees, etc.).

If Bitcoinica had such insurance, it never would have gone permanently offline in the first place. Instead the insurance company would have gotten some bridge financing to cover the rather large payout, then launched a well-funded white-hat and black-hat operation to identify those responsible and extract restitution. Bitcoinica would have been back up and running within a week, and one more scammer would have learned not to mess with the bitcoin police.

The bitcoin economy is very fragile, and we need policing organizations to keep the scammers and con artists at bay. And there's really no reason this can't be a service provided by the community itself--and paid for through the mechanism of insurance.

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September 08, 2012, 06:30:12 PM
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Private insurance is available for any company to buy, that will cover data loss or data theft.

The company must pass a very strict security audit, at their expense, to the satisfaction of the underwriter.

The mechanism for this already exists.

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September 08, 2012, 06:32:13 PM
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I would be on board, need more info please contact me in pvt message to see if you can handle what I need.

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September 08, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
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Private insurance is available for any company to buy, that will cover data loss or data theft.

The company must pass a very strict security audit, at their expense, to the satisfaction of the underwriter.

The mechanism for this already exists.
This type of “insurance” service doesn't exist. Please re-read the OP.

I would be on board, need more info please contact me in pvt message to see if you can handle what I need.
I'm not offering this service, although I'm hoping somebody else will. It could be very profitable, but would take up far more time and resources than I have available Sad

I think the idea has merit, but I much prefer a proactive approach over a reactive approach. I think it makes more sense to focus energies on prevention of theft instead of how to respond to theft. Until we've exhausted all preventative measures, of course. It should be quite obvious that we are nowhere close to exhausting those measures (hot wallet / cold wallet for starters).

The problem is, the costs from proactive or reactive measures will be transferred to the customer, and most customers seem to be more concerned with fees (and convenience) over security.

What we need is intelligent consumerism.
Unfortunately the wild-west nature of bitcoin is getting in the way of serious growth, and proactive measures only go so far. Thefts already happen with no recourse and limited police response--it will only get worse as the criminals responsible acquire capital and refine their techniques. Anyways, non-regulated “insurance” companies of the type I advocate would probably increase deployment of proactive measures as they themselves would be a security company with skin in the game.

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September 08, 2012, 07:46:23 PM
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I would be on board, need more info please contact me in pvt message to see if you can handle what I need.

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