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June 17, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
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Last night I was browsing blockchain.info and I saw a much larger share of mixing transactions (SharedCoin) than I ever recall seeing before.  I only looked at trx over $30,000 (and also browsed a couple of blocks), and found that most of them were mixed.  Here is an example of a transaction I just found at blockchain.info:

https://blockchain.info/tx/6f964a43ce61e3a2a40982d57c3f4b1f0e1bf6e5d0f863fe7003bd4aaccc206c

I saw a couple of very large transactions, over $200,000.  But, since the largest amounts "out" matched the amounts going "in", I would guess that those transactions were not well hidden.


Is there any reason for such an increase in SharedCoin mixing transactions that any of you can comment on?

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June 17, 2015, 10:18:46 PM
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Last night I was browsing blockchain.info and I saw a much larger share of mixing transactions (SharedCoin) than I ever recall seeing before.  I only looked at trx over $30,000 (and also browsed a couple of blocks), and found that most of them were mixed.  Here is an example of a transaction I just found at blockchain.info:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6f964a43ce61e3a2a40982d57c3f4b1f0e1bf6e5d0f863fe7003bd4aaccc206c
I saw a couple of very large transactions, over $200,000.  But, since the largest amounts "out" matched the amounts going "in", I would guess that those transactions were not well hidden.
Is there any reason for such an increase in SharedCoin mixing transactions that any of you can comment on?
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It is not easy to ID bitmixer transactions, at least for me.

You are right. There is massive mixing going on here.
You can never really know the truth since it could be mixed all over the place,
but I see a darknet market, a few exchanges, a gambling site and loads of deposits.

So I'm gonna guess and say its a dark market mixing their deposits/coins... but of course it could be anything/anyone.

Edit: added "be"

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June 17, 2015, 10:23:37 PM
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Last night I was browsing blockchain.info and I saw a much larger share of mixing transactions (SharedCoin) than I ever recall seeing before.  I only looked at trx over $30,000 (and also browsed a couple of blocks), and found that most of them were mixed.  Here is an example of a transaction I just found at blockchain.info:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6f964a43ce61e3a2a40982d57c3f4b1f0e1bf6e5d0f863fe7003bd4aaccc206c
I saw a couple of very large transactions, over $200,000.  But, since the largest amounts "out" matched the amounts going "in", I would guess that those transactions were not well hidden.
Is there any reason for such an increase in SharedCoin mixing transactions that any of you can comment on?
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It is not easy to ID bitmixer transactions, at least for me.

You are right. There is massive mixing going on here.
You can never really know the truth since it could be mixed all over the place,
but I see a darknet market, a few exchanges, a gambling site and loads of deposits.

So I'm gonna guess and say its a dark market mixing their deposits/coins... but of course it could be anything/anyone.

Edit: added "be"

After looking again, I think my earlier prediction was wrong, I think its BTC-E.com.

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June 17, 2015, 11:22:37 PM
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Coin mixing is unavoidable, however this will make bitcoin more and more like cash, thus result in the same restrict applied to cash from financial regulation bodies today

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June 17, 2015, 11:53:39 PM
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Coin mixing is unavoidable, however this will make bitcoin more and more like cash, thus result in the same restrict applied to cash from financial regulation bodies today

And how are they going to put restrictions over coin mixing specifically? It's pretty much impossible to stop. If they try to ban mixing services, there will be tor based alternatives all over the place anyway.
Also, any exchange can act as a mixer. If you leave your coins in a exchange for some days and withdraw in small lots its a mess for anyone that wants to tax you or something.
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June 18, 2015, 03:11:44 AM
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Just by chance, I was just over at blockchain.info again, and saw this $87,000 transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/4447a8d4ec484478d1cb106ee88221ee10899ed93f6951dbdb9a61affc2a587b

Looks a lot like a SharedCoin trx to me.  Maybe they prefer to mix coins at night (?, night US ET)?

One input (receiving address) got $11,000.  None of the outputs matched closely.



EDIT: Another one: https://blockchain.info/tx/94d06730c3ccea69ab75fadc9b894e04edf92a3c3d6d6e0712cb87b556e26ed1  ($92,000)
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June 18, 2015, 03:40:40 AM
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Some of the transactions contain 0.0001BTC output which is weird since Sharedcoin have 0.01BTC minimum limit and 50BTC max limit. This can easily be some exchanges deposit address being emptied or other mixer's. There is still a possibility that it is sharedcoin's mixing operation. Only one of the 3 transactions stated in this thread is relayed by blockchain.info. I'm genuinely surprised people still trust blockchain.info with such large amount of BTC if it's sharedcoin.

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June 18, 2015, 03:40:58 AM
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Coin mixing is unavoidable, however this will make bitcoin more and more like cash, thus result in the same restrict applied to cash from financial regulation bodies today

And how are they going to put restrictions over coin mixing specifically? It's pretty much impossible to stop. If they try to ban mixing services, there will be tor based alternatives all over the place anyway.
Also, any exchange can act as a mixer. If you leave your coins in a exchange for some days and withdraw in small lots its a mess for anyone that wants to tax you or something.

They can not restrict mixing, but they can restrict the entry and exit from fiat money system, thus apply similar rules like cash: you have daily/monthly withdraw limit from exchanges, and large amount of bitcoin transaction to exchanges are not allowed

Even if you can spend directly at merchant's place, regulators just need to regulate all the merchants and give them a daily/monthly purchase limit for every consumer. Large bitcoin transactions are prohibited just like large cash transactions are prohibited now. If you want to do large bitcoin transactions to exchange fiat money/purchase something, you have to use government registered bitcoin addresses, like a formal bank account. And business maybe all required to register their bitcoin addresses

In this way, they can also get rid of the tax headache, actually government can not tax cash transactions easily, but due to those transactions are small, government don't allocate resources to chase those tiny tax income, they chase large enterprises for at least millions worth of transactions

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