Wanted: developers/coders with hero/legendary status

[goldmaxx]

We all have seen this happening way too many times:
A newbie dev creates a new coin (mostly a clone of some other coin) photoshops some fancy logo and makes up a roadmap that is too good to be true...

And still time after time people get lured into mining/buying that coin, mostly out of greed, but often also in the hope that this one will be different from the others, the rare bird...

It happenend several times to me as well...sometimes I was right, but even more times I was wrong and left as a bagholder.
No problem so far, because the times I was right compensate for the times I was wrong (in relation to my BTC balance).

What really bothers me though is that newcomers can't compensate the loss they made that easy and will often be left discouraged to continue their exploration in the wonderfull world of altcoins. It gives cryptocurrency a bad reputation.

My latest disappointment was NeutronCoin...
Same story, dev left, then there was a take over and even the take over dev left...
Abandoning a community with several new comers...

Now, that sparked the idea to take over this coin...
What if we could get a team of well trusted bitcointalk members together to bring this coin back to life?

I'm here for almost two years now, and many of you even longer and with much more cryptocurrency experience  (I'm just a cryptocurrency supporter/investor, not a coder/developer). Please have a look at the take over thread I created for NTRN and read about my intentions with NTRN... I really hope we can get some of the veterans together to get this project going places....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128777.0

To continue my transparancy: I do own some NTRN, about 200K to be exactly... ATM these 200K are worth about 1BTC...
--> My main investments are not in NTRN, they are in START, VNL, ECC, MWC and SUPER. Believe me, I'm not doing this to empty my bag...just to prove we can achieve something when working together as a team, even if you are active in other projects...
(I'm even willing to make my wallet address public)

So, if you would like to contribute to this side-project, please send me a PM...

I thank you in advance...

Regards

Goldmaxx

[markm]

People keep creating new coins instead of maintaining the existing ones.

If we were to seriously propose to help folks by trying to maintain coins, Neutron would be years down the list because there are still some of the very first altcoins ever made that are not being maintained as well as they could be.

So if you really do want to help by maintaining coins, how about start at the start, there are many coins from the very start of altcoining that could do with more maintaining.

Lets put Neutron on the back burner as one that should never have been created in the first place because when it was created there were already coins created prior to it that we were not fully up to date on maintaining at the time it was created.

We should have fully maintained those and brought them all up to date before even considering creating yet another altcoin...

How can anyone trust devs who keep spewing out new coins when they have not even attempted in even a token way to first bring up to date all the existing coins?

The first thing that should be expected of anyone interested in becoming a coin dev is that they do their homework / training / on the job experience by participating in bringing all the existing coins up to date.

Then once they are all up to date maybe, possibly, but probably not likely, it might be reasonable for them to say "I have worked now on every coin out there, brought them all up to date as much as possible, and with all that experience and having seen that none of them can be adapted to fill this objective I have in mind, I am reluctantly forced to conclude we might need to create one more coin, to fill this gap that no already existing coin can be adapted to fill..."

-MarkM-

[Nxtblg]

The first thing that should be expected of anyone interested in becoming a coin dev is that they do their homework / training / on the job experience by participating in bringing all the existing coins up to date.

That's a really good idea! High time we borrowed "apprenticeship"/"learning the ropes" from the skilled trades. This one belongs in a bullet list of basic due-diligence questions to put to a new altcoin dev.

[bit1]

Now that I think, Newbies are limited on certain things on forum like to they only can use a little signature, Not avatar, Etc....  They could be limited
to avoid launch new coins, If it dont finished  with problem scam coins  but at least  help decrease it.  

[murderouskirk]

Well.. I'm not the type of person that would post negative things in a main thread.. but since this side thread will be seen by a lot less of the holders..

Another NTRN takeover? I hate to be that guy but.. NTRN was a pretty obvious scam pump from the start. It's so broken by now that I don't think it can be fixed.

1: "Noob" launched high inflation coins and immediately leaves, creates freefall price.

2: That guy collects as much as possible.

3: Guy pretends to be takeover dev, announces roadmap to be released in 7 parts over 7 days.

4: Puts whatever BS he can think of in the roadmap, and sells off into the support then leaves.

Now I've seen this show a million times so it was pretty obvious to me. I took a wild guess and got in during #2 and it paid off well.

Point is I haven't been paying much attention since #3.. however the guys in my slack group have and I've been trying to skim what they say about it.

Someone managed to get Masternodes added, only they are totally broken and have seriously damaged the coin. Let me pull some quotes.

The coin will not and cannot ever get off the ground. The exploit I discovered had been in use for over  a month by many of the largest wallets. By now at least 33% of all coins in existence are tainted by this bug. Even if someone is foolish enough to try and fork the coin - what good will that do? The distribution is permanently fucked by those who used the exploit. I'm pissed off because I invested over 8.8 BTC into NTRN and then I find out there were people staking 300% more NTRN than me for god knows how long. Even if they created a new coin and established a coin swap - the distribution would still be fucked. You would have these illegitimate stakers getting a far larger proportion of the coins than they are entitled to. Which begs the question - why bother making a new coin at all? There are plenty of decent coins out there to have a punt on that aren't permanently screwed.

proof of exploit allowing 300% more stakes per block and total avoidance of paying masternodes -> suddenly a wild third takeover appears -> Gee, I wonder what they will happen with all those illegitimate coins? lol

All you have to do is make a config file, one line "listen=0" and save  it in the AppData Neutron location. Done. You will forever recieve 38.x NTRN per block and never pay a masternode again. You cannot tell me that this coin is worth saving - not now. its possibly the worst possible investment out there   because not only has it got no volume or interest outside of teh fanboy club, it is more or less a scam - and indeed appears to have been from the outset. A third takeover? Comeone - just be straight with everyone and call it what it is - a final attempted pump so the bagholders remaining can dump. The goose is cooked guys.

Your best bet is to find someone trustworthy that is willing to make an entirely new coin (without masternodes) and swap to a non-broken chain. Even then it's a band-aid for the bag holders because the distribution is so fucked.

Goodluck though.. seruously.. I do not envy the position NTRN bagholders have been thrown in.

[Tsquared]

People keep creating new coins instead of maintaining the existing ones.

If we were to seriously propose to help folks by trying to maintain coins, Neutron would be years down the list because there are still some of the very first altcoins ever made that are not being maintained as well as they could be.

So if you really do want to help by maintaining coins, how about start at the start, there are many coins from the very start of altcoining that could do with more maintaining.

Lets put Neutron on the back burner as one that should never have been created in the first place because when it was created there were already coins created prior to it that we were not fully up to date on maintaining at the time it was created.

We should have fully maintained those and brought them all up to date before even considering creating yet another altcoin...

How can anyone trust devs who keep spewing out new coins when they have not even attempted in even a token way to first bring up to date all the existing coins?

The first thing that should be expected of anyone interested in becoming a coin dev is that they do their homework / training / on the job experience by participating in bringing all the existing coins up to date.

Then once they are all up to date maybe, possibly, but probably not likely, it might be reasonable for them to say "I have worked now on every coin out there, brought them all up to date as much as possible, and with all that experience and having seen that none of them can be adapted to fill this objective I have in mind, I am reluctantly forced to conclude we might need to create one more coin, to fill this gap that no already existing coin can be adapted to fill..."

-MarkM-

99% agree.

In a similar situation with Digitalcoin, so completely agree with maintaining senior, well established coins. It's discouraging to see so much effort and support going into many new blockchains, while beautiful 2+ year old coins with so much potential, remain on life support.

1% disagree.

Priority for attention shouldn't necessarily be chronological.


Anyway, would love to participate in a "rescue group" as suggested in the OP, and likewise from a supporter/investor, not a coder/developer perspective. With the intention of bringing some support to my efforts, while supporting others.

The Altcoins Foundation (https://altcoinsfoundation.com) would be a good platform for such and effort. They're off to a slow start, but a really nice website and forum.

It could even be somewhat financed by investment in these coins

If more comes of some collective effort to maintain/revive worthy coins, that is completely legitimate (not some pump and dump scheme), I would be interested in considering involvement.

TT