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August 27, 2015, 02:27:03 AM
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No! There is no connection. For the first 5 years,  Bitcoin followed the US stock market. It deviated from it in November 2013 when we started our bear market. Some money may come to Bitcoin, but I doubt 99% of it will head anywhere but low risk assets in a risk-off  situation.

XT is also not the cause of this recent decline. It definitely added to it but there was noticeable weakness through the whole rally to $320. That was all the bulls could muster at that time. The market was due for a pull back at the least and XT just threw gas on the fire. The cause was purely technical.

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August 27, 2015, 03:59:16 AM
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I don't know where to post it, so will stick it here.
first-i don't think that btc will correlate, except on high down days.
However i found an interesting blurb on the market conditions;

CNBC Pisani says that conditions of yesterday/today should exist (theoretically) only one time in 140000 tries or once in 383 years, yet then he says that we had one in 80ies (he probably meant 1987), then in 2011 and now in 2015.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/pisanis-market-open-p-500-134300969.html
go to ~1:55min



If you still follow theories that assume stock prices are normally distributed than you need to read Mandelbrot.

no, i was just quoting him contradicting himself in the same sentence.
What Mandelbrot's book would be relevant-the (mis)behavior of markets?

I think you know  Wink

https://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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August 27, 2015, 04:39:26 AM
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No. The decline in Bitcoin price is directly related to the XT debate and nothing else. If nothing, the stock market crash should have propelled Bitcoin price upwards. If there was no block size debate, this would have happened 99%.

Now, maybe we would also see much more dumping and bigger price decline if there was no stock market crash. We can never know this for sure though.

This  statement is only partially true.. The bitcoin decrease is not just bitcoin XT. It's a number of things.

I wouldn't say bitcoin XT is the main reason.


1. Bitcoin XT
2. http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-slumps-following-bitfinex-outage/  

(people aren't happy either. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3igv0r/bitfinex_pretty_sure_we_are_dealing_with_amateurs/ )

3. Panic selling. "Oh noo price is falling SELL SELL SELL"

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August 27, 2015, 10:46:00 AM
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No! There is no connection. For the first 5 years,  Bitcoin followed the US stock market. It deviated from it in November 2013 when we started our bear market. Some money may come to Bitcoin, but I doubt 99% of it will head anywhere but low risk assets in a risk-off  situation.

XT is also not the cause of this recent decline. It definitely added to it but there was noticeable weakness through the whole rally to $320. That was all the bulls could muster at that time. The market was due for a pull back at the least and XT just threw gas on the fire. The cause was purely technical.

Could you explain further?

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August 29, 2015, 07:11:42 AM
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No i don't think that the bitcoin price drop is due to stock market drop.
According to me, it's solely due to the Bitcoin XT drama and nothing else.
But now the prices are started to stabilize and we are heading up from here.

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September 25, 2015, 02:49:09 AM
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I don't think so. The bitcoin price I think is lowered because the well known volatility of the price of bitcoin, the pumped price of it from MtGox and maybe even from the bitcoin XT. No particularly characteristics were affected on it. Anyhow I am not an expert in the markets so my words maybe are the words of a beginner.
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September 26, 2015, 02:26:55 AM
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i think that yes, everything is related with everything, well maybe have more influence the miners costs and trading values, but in the end i think that everything counts.

I think your 100% wrong. There is no link between stock markets crash and bitcoin prices to fall, they just a coincidence. Bitcoin prices are not controlled by any countries economy but purely based on its demand and supply. If market crash then there are chances that bitcoin prices to should up because investors may consider investing in bitcoins like other commodities. 
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September 26, 2015, 01:47:07 PM
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Do you think the fall in the price of bitcoin is related to the stock market crash?
Any other factors do you think contribute most to the recent price drop?
Do you think there's bubble in bitcoin market?
Read more about global economic turmoil here:https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/global-economic-outlook-market-turmoil/

Price of Bitcoin is stable from February.
Stock markets gained a lot from February till today, no matter decreases that happened.
If there will be serious crash money that will be left will leave stocks and move to Gold and also some to Bitcoin.
Actually this migration will started happening before. When Economies will start cool down ( China does) and will get in depression. Stock market follows that.
So price of Bitcoin will start growing much before the big stock bubble crash.

When will that happen?  You will see when Bitcoin price start growing.
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