Now that we know many XT nodes are fake, what are the implications?

[iCEBREAKER]

I'm not arguing that most are real, I'm arguing that you can't prove that most are fake.

You can't prove a negative.  The burden of proof is on GavincoinXT to demonstrate its supposed economic majority, especially now that its ostensible node count has been spoofed into worthless noise.

[tvbcof]

Who cares?

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

Gavin is obviously nothing more than Hearn's muppet at this point.  I don't rule out that he is actually stupid enough to believe most of what he says.  I also have never seen any reason to doubt that he agrees in principle that Bitcoin is to dangerous to society without corp/gov moderation in the form of white/black-listing to get rid of 'the bad guys' and either doesn't understand what this would do to Bitcoin as an innovation or does not care.  In more succinct shorthand, Gavin loves big brother.

[balu2]

Who cares?

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

Go altcoins. Bitcoin is done. It'll be downgraded to "Gavincoin/Bitcoin maybe inbetween situation for next 5 years"-price. Markets don't wait for anyone and are only so patient. Market will give bitcoin time to figure its issues out and by the time it has done that an alt has already taken over #1 spot hopefully and that alt has also much higher tps of course which is no biggy as parctically any altcoin on the market has higher tps than btc.

[Linuld]

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155836.0


If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

The noXT release was for showing XT-Nodes that actually are no XT-Nodes. So can you explain your logic behind believing why a XT-Supporter should run an XT-Node that actually is not an XT-Node? He surely would run a real XT-Node. And users that don't like XT would have no reason to use it either. Since why should they promote XT that way? They would use bitcoin core.

So i don't see the logic behind such accusations.

That software was developed by someone who does not like XT. And i still don't see what the usecase for it is.

[killerjoegreece]

i dont know if xt nodes are fake or not. but this blocksize debate needs to end allright...

[bitgolden]

Even if the XT not are fake, no one can create new blocks with fake nodes. XT implementation would be based on 75% block generation. So fake node is impossible to run. Absolutely meaningless.

[Lauda]

Even if the XT not are fake, no one can create new blocks with fake nodes. XT implementation would be based on 75% block generation. So fake node is impossible to run. Absolutely meaningless.

Wrong. Yes, you can manipulate the network with fake nodes. Anyone can run a fake node, it is easy.

i dont know if xt nodes are fake or not. but this blocksize debate needs to end allright...

Some of them are, some of them aren't. It doesn't look like there will be a resolution yet.

Go altcoins. Bitcoin is done. It'll be downgraded to "Gavincoin/Bitcoin maybe inbetween situation for next 5 years"-price. Markets don't wait for anyone and are only so patient. Market will give bitcoin time to figure its issues out and by the time it has done that an alt has already taken over #1 spot hopefully and that alt has also much higher tps of course which is no biggy as parctically any altcoin on the market has higher tps than btc.

Do you know who really believes this? Only people invested in random altcoins and nobody else. There was even a small joke about a "2.0" marketing coin during the last workshop. Bitcoin is currently working and the debate should not be having an affecting on trading at all.

Bitcoin price.

Because of this stupid war between XT and Core, Gavin way vs. classic Satoshi way, progress vs. keepin what is fine atm, fake nodes vs. real xt nodes. All this nonsense is bad.
We all are losing. Bitcoin is losing, media have another idiotic topic just to talk about how bitcoin is torn by war and future is grim.

We are fine at the moment. If you want to blame someone then blame the ones who started this so called "war".

[LiteCoinGuy]

over 10%, quite good for XT. good to have a fallback system.

[iCEBREAKER]

over 10%, quite good

Yes, NotXT is a huge success (except for mining, where BIP100 obviously dominates).

[SebastianJu]

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155836.0


If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

The noXT release was for showing XT-Nodes that actually are no XT-Nodes. So can you explain your logic behind believing why a XT-Supporter should run an XT-Node that actually is not an XT-Node? He surely would run a real XT-Node. And users that don't like XT would have no reason to use it either. Since why should they promote XT that way? They would use bitcoin core.

So i don't see the logic behind such accusations.

That software was developed by someone who does not like XT. And i still don't see what the usecase for it is.

This! I mean this thread is about a software that is a core node but shows up as a xt wallet. Why the heck should an xt supporter install something like that? He could install an xt node from the start.

This accusation makes no sense. If this software would only fake a node, then ok, but it doesn't. It is a full core node.

To believe that xt supporters should use this makes no sense. Even xt haters using it makes no sense. They would install core nodes to make their point. The only real usecase for this software is, in my eyes, to being able to claim that most xt nodes are fake. Which again makes no sense when you look at it.

Maybe i miss something about the nature of the software.

[hdbuck]

I do know about not only a few people hosting fake nodes. Also the spike in nodes coincides with the release of noXT software. Then we have this topic which i think is credible: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155836.0


If you believe 100% of the nodes are legit this topic is not for you. Anyone with half a brain knows the node count is rigged - to what degree is up for discussion of course.

The noXT release was for showing XT-Nodes that actually are no XT-Nodes. So can you explain your logic behind believing why a XT-Supporter should run an XT-Node that actually is not an XT-Node? He surely would run a real XT-Node. And users that don't like XT would have no reason to use it either. Since why should they promote XT that way? They would use bitcoin core.

So i don't see the logic behind such accusations.

That software was developed by someone who does not like XT. And i still don't see what the usecase for it is.

This! I mean this thread is about a software that is a core node but shows up as a xt wallet. Why the heck should an xt supporter install something like that? He could install an xt node from the start.

This accusation makes no sense. If this software would only fake a node, then ok, but it doesn't. It is a full core node.

To believe that xt supporters should use this makes no sense. Even xt haters using it makes no sense. They would install core nodes to make their point. The only real usecase for this software is, in my eyes, to being able to claim that most xt nodes are fake. Which again makes no sense when you look at it.

Maybe i miss something about the nature of the software.

actually you pretty much figured it out on your own..

it does make sense that it was somehow designed to just mess with the Xters: decredebilising their data from the beginning..

clever move, if you ask me ^^


edit: not even sure anyone running actual notxt nodes... its lika comunication op, with a ghost software, filling its purpose without even be running