The Kochs Are Plotting A Multimillion-Dollar Assault On Electric Vehicles

[bryant.coleman]

Tesla is working on a better battery right now and think they are spending more time on that then the car.
Its most likely at best 5 years out still after it goes through all the hoops of testing.
That girl most likely has sold here idea to Tesla or a like minded group to fiddle with.

Perhaps they should try to design electric cars with a portable power source (not nuclear  ), so that the batteries and inverters are not needed. That will reduce the overall cost of the car by as much as 75% to 80%. This idea might sound ridiculous now, but I hope that as technology advances, it might be made possible.

[tvbcof]

Lithium can be found from asteroids near Earth. It's not going to be depleted.

Hmmm... really? A space launch can cost anywhere from $450 million to $500 million. Even if you are able to collect a tonne of Lithium from the asteroids (I am not even asking how), do you think that the car-makers are going to buy this Lithium at a price of $500,000 per kg? Imagine how much will be the cost of a Tesla, if they do so. (An average Tesla uses around 14 Kg of Lithium for a single 85 KWh battery).

Man, get with the times.  The solution to these problems has been known about for years.

More seriously, I've heard tell that Afghanistan is something like 'the lithium king.'  I cannot help but notice that nobody seems to be in a big hurry to defeat the Talliban and get the hell out of there.  One has to wonder if these two things are related.

[Vika NSFW]

And why in the world would anyone want to take a car

Count the price for 100 miles road, the electric way cost much less and with no emissions.

[salinizm]

And why in the world would anyone want to take a car

Count the price for 100 miles road, the electric way cost much less and with no emissions.

i dont know this .. thanks for sharing.. and then i will use an electric car if i decide to have a car..

[bryant.coleman]

i dont know this .. thanks for sharing.. and then i will use an electric car if i decide to have a car..

Electric cars are not for everyone. For starters, the price of an Tesla Model S is around $70,000 to $100,000, depending upon the variant and the local taxes. Although the fuel expenses are low, the maintenance cost is extremely high. You need to replace the battery every two years or so, and these batteries can cost up to $25,000.

The Nissan Leaf costs around $30,000, but you can use it only for short-distance travel. The maximum range is somewhere around 100 to 120 km. After every 100 km, you need to charge the battery (which can take up to 8 hours).

[catch.me.if.you.can]

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[Spendulus]

Isn't the Smartcar smaller (less useful) and more expensive, with worse mileage, than other vehicles that already exist but aren't marketed as "smart"?

They cut the size and weight of a car in half without improving the mileage at all, so the Smartcar is actually less efficient and has worse technology.

Smartcar might be perfect for someone who drives alone and likes to park easily anywhere at all.  And it's safer than a motorcycle. But it's not going to save the world from fossil fuels.

Just like the Prius, they want to sell people on a lie.  They think if people will buy a car because it's "smart", then they'll buy even faster if it's "smarter with electric".

Well, to each his own.  I've also got one car that gets 6 mpg and a truck that gets 10.  But for a run a mile or two down to the grocery store, you simply can't beat the Smartcar.  Leave the labels aside, and just look at the product.

[tvbcof]

Well, to each his own.  I've also got one car that gets 6 mpg and a truck that gets 10.  But for a run a mile or two down to the grocery store, you simply can't beat the Smartcar.  Leave the labels aside, and just look at the product.

What kind of a car gets 6 mpg?  Some custom supercharged hemi-powered hot-rod?  I'm pretty sure my grandparent's Ford LTD did better than that!

I think my pickup gets around 9 mpg, but it's got a 460 CU engine.  Even my 35,000 lb crane truck gets about 6 mpg highway.  Even so, these vehicles are more 'efficient' than my 40 mpg Toyota because I use it only for moving heavy, large, or awkward things.

I'm getting the sense that more and more people cannot even conceptualize why anyone would have a need to move heavy things.  I think that this lack of vision stems from not knowing of life outside of the 'factory farm'.  That is, stack-and-pack housing in an urban center, or at best the 'burbs.'  One youtube channel I watch from time to time is from some guy who attends a lot of planning meetings in Southern California.  It turns my stomach to see these 'planners' go on and on about making the area into a 'mega region' and giving people a good quality of life by inducing people to live such that their 'living room is a public space' where they, supposedly, mingle with others and it makes them happy.  And they have dog walking parks with mirrors for doggie reflection zones.  These people are so incredibly presumptuous to think they can design a better life for their underlings.

I can confidently predict what's going to happen in these high density 'human habitats';  people are going to find that when they venture into their public area 'living room', they will do so under the threat of being groped and robbed.  To mitigate this problem, the planners will design a solution where everyone lives under intense and constant surveillance.  This will be supported by 'the masses' primarily because it is less unpleasant than being groped and robbed all the time.

[McDonalds5]

Lithium can be found from asteroids near Earth. It's not going to be depleted.

Hmmm... really? A space launch can cost anywhere from $450 million to $500 million. Even if you are able to collect a tonne of Lithium from the asteroids (I am not even asking how), do you think that the car-makers are going to buy this Lithium at a price of $500,000 per kg? Imagine how much will be the cost of a Tesla, if they do so. (An average Tesla uses around 14 Kg of Lithium for a single 85 KWh battery).

Man, get with the times.  The solution to these problems has been known about for years.

More seriously, I've heard tell that Afghanistan is something like 'the lithium king.'  I cannot help but notice that nobody seems to be in a big hurry to defeat the Talliban and get the hell out of there.  One has to wonder if these two things are related.

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[Swordsoffreedom]

The Kochs Are Plotting A Multimillion-Dollar Assault On Electric Vehicles

The oil and gas industry may have thought it had killed the electric car, but sales -- boosted by generous government subsidies -- rose dramatically between 2010 and 2014, and energy giants are worried the thing may have come back to life.

Time to kill it again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/koch-electric-vehicles_us_56c4d63ce4b0b40245c8cbf6

The Koch brothers did try to run for election but they could not win on their ideas which is why they sponsored groups to fight against climate change to protect their business interests using lobbying organizations. Funny enough its candidates like Bernie Sanders who likes taking small donations and Donald Trump who has a lot of money and doesn't need to pander to the super rich lobbyists and PACs that provides the best chance to kill the power of lobbyists and stave them off a bit from the election cycle.
1 Billion dollars is change to the Koch brothers who have 50-60 but it sure is a lot of persuasion if your running for office and well need to pay someone back and coal pwning the electric car sales well they have their own interests.

[catch.me.if.you.can]

Koreans made a battery for 800 km trip.

[tvbcof]

Lithium can be found from asteroids near Earth. It's not going to be depleted.

Hmmm... really? A space launch can cost anywhere from $450 million to $500 million. Even if you are able to collect a tonne of Lithium from the asteroids (I am not even asking how), do you think that the car-makers are going to buy this Lithium at a price of $500,000 per kg? Imagine how much will be the cost of a Tesla, if they do so. (An average Tesla uses around 14 Kg of Lithium for a single 85 KWh battery).

Man, get with the times.  The solution to these problems has been known about for years.

More seriously, I've heard tell that Afghanistan is something like 'the lithium king.'  I cannot help but notice that nobody seems to be in a big hurry to defeat the Talliban and get the hell out of there.  One has to wonder if these two things are related.

http://www.planetaryresources.com/#home-intro

Two things which seem to really get Bitcoiners juices flowing:

  1)  Space travel/exploitation.

  2)  Living in harmony on a ship or island or desert wasteland with other like-minded Bitcoiners.

Hey, don't let my bad attitude and lack of 'vision' stop you!

[bryant.coleman]

Koreans made a battery for 800 km trip.

The Tesla battery is also capable of making a 500 km trip. But it costs more than $30,000 and needs replacement in approximately 20 to 24 months. What about the new battery? How much does it cost, and how long does it last? If you could tell me how much Lithium it uses, then I will be able to calculate the approx. cost.

[Spendulus]

Well, to each his own.  I've also got one car that gets 6 mpg and a truck that gets 10.  But for a run a mile or two down to the grocery store, you simply can't beat the Smartcar.  Leave the labels aside, and just look at the product.

What kind of a car gets 6 mpg?  Some custom supercharged hemi-powered hot-rod?  I'm pretty sure my grandparent's Ford LTD did better than that!

I think my pickup gets around 9 mpg, but it's got a 460 CU engine.  Even my 35,000 lb crane truck gets about 6 mpg highway.  Even so, these vehicles are more 'efficient' than my 40 mpg Toyota because I use it only for moving heavy, large, or awkward things.

I'm getting the sense that more and more people cannot even conceptualize why anyone would have a need to move heavy things.  I think that this lack of vision stems from not knowing of life outside of the 'factory farm'.  That is, stack-and-pack housing in an urban center, or at best the 'burbs.'  ....

  Right.  Well, think about the Prius.  I see many people here buying and using them for primarily highway driving.  That's totally stupid.  Any vehicle that attempts to recirculate energy from braking and downhill mission segments shouts "City Driving!"  But they think they are cool.

The Smartcar is really good for certain things, largely because of it's simplicity.  Someone who is 6'6" and weighs 350 lb will find the Smartcar very comfortable, believe it or not.  By contrast the very complex dual power system of the Prius cannot pay for itself over the lifetime of the car.

Couple years ago I pulled up to a fast food lane by a major university, and got lectured to by the punk at the window about my gas guzzler.  We had our little two minute chat.  Fucking idiot. 

[nickenburg]

Yes they are afraid, because the last few years all the big auto companies have started developing electro motors.
And they see if this continues they will get a lot of progress, and in 10 years everyone drives electric cars.
They don't want that so they are going to fight it, but electro will win because the technology will become better.
And everyone know's it is better for the environment!

[Spendulus]

Yes they are afraid, because the last few years all the big auto companies have started developing electro motors.
And they see if this continues they will get a lot of progress, and in 10 years everyone drives electric cars.
They don't want that so they are going to fight it, but electro will win because the technology will become better.
And everyone know's it is better for the environment!

Bull.  Nothing you have said is true.

[catch.me.if.you.can]

There are many emerging battery technologies. Aluminum-ion, Lithium-sulfur, Metal-air etc.