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January 18, 2016, 10:56:32 PM
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Just addressing your statement that people have to be exploited or go hungry or go without shelter.

Being in the US we have more opportunities than the rest of the world, mostly due to more tyrannical governments in the other countries that do not respect property rights.
it might also be due to the minimum wage legislation, housing projects, food and rent subsidies and other government measures libertarians describe as "theft"

Be radical, have principles, be absolute, be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle.
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January 19, 2016, 07:03:47 AM
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Do you have to be a millionaire to have shelter and food?
you have to be paid at least enough money to be able to afford them, which many workers in menial jobs are not, which is why government "theft" on behalf of poor workers exists

Considering over 2 billion people in the world survive on less than $3 per day, most people can afford food and shelter. Taking a job where you feel you are "exploited" is not a requirement for not going hungry.

Oh, wonderful dumb comment.
"afford food and shelter" means nothing. Which kind of food and shelter? Yes most people can afford rotten food and eating the exact same cereal day after day. Which leads to malnutrition and early death. Yes most people have a "shelter". It mostly consists in just a bunch of garbages assembled into a house shape but it doesn't rain on their head if it's what you mean. Well that doesn't mean they won't die of cold cause there is nothing to protect them from that but still.

People can afford "food and shelter" as you say. For sure. Just eat the dirt and live under a bridge. Won't cost you 1$!

Or be like this guy who has no job who is richer than all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9TNM9R-iw

Oh yeah? And where do you find the 20k$ needed for the boat he has? With his incredible 1200$ camera he sure never had money...  Roll Eyes
You're one of those dumbass saying that "it's perfectly normal if 1% of the world has more than 99%, cause it means everyone can go to the top" no?

If you do some research you'll find boats like his for free quite often. I get messages at least once a week about someone giving away a boat. People get tired of paying dock fees and just give them away. I have a friend that got one similar for doing some lawn work for a guy.

And for the "dumbass" comment I welcome you to my ignore list.

Well thanks for the introduction. Seems like you won't see this answer but you know what? If "lots of your firends" are giving out boats for free, then you and your friends are all rich dumbasses. You don't get a boat like this for free, that's just a lie. You get boats like this in such a poor state it's cheaper to buy a new one than to repair it for free yes, but not a functionnal boat.

And you may find me insulting or rude, but I find your stupidity insulting sir.

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January 19, 2016, 07:04:54 AM
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Just addressing your statement that people have to be exploited or go hungry or go without shelter.

Being in the US we have more opportunities than the rest of the world, mostly due to more tyrannical governments in the other countries that do not respect property rights.
it might also be due to the minimum wage legislation, housing projects, food and rent subsidies and other government measures libertarians describe as "theft"

No of course not. It's just because we have a strong property right. Nothing to do with socialism whatsoever. Nothing.  Grin

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January 19, 2016, 09:28:12 AM
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Just addressing your statement that people have to be exploited or go hungry or go without shelter.

Being in the US we have more opportunities than the rest of the world, mostly due to more tyrannical governments in the other countries that do not respect property rights.
it might also be due to the minimum wage legislation, housing projects, food and rent subsidies and other government measures libertarians describe as "theft"

Those are not opportunities.

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January 19, 2016, 09:48:18 AM
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Without the goverment theft will be common and ofcourse other crimes will be common too. So like it or not government is actually doing something about it. Just let the government do their stuff and do your part to improve the society.

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January 19, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
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Those are not opportunities.
sure they are. the opportunity to live in an apartment with indoor plumbing instead of a hut, the opportunity to eat protein instead of cereal, the opportunity to go to school instead of down a mine shaft.

Be radical, have principles, be absolute, be that which the bourgeoisie calls an extremist: give yourself without counting or calculating, don't accept what they call ‘the reality of life' and act in such a way that you won't be accepted by that kind of ‘life', never abandon the principle of struggle.
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January 19, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
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Without the goverment theft will be common and ofcourse other crimes will be common too. So like it or not government is actually doing something about it. Just let the government do their stuff and do your part to improve the society.

What if government also become corrupted and bad?
Even worst than average criminals?
We are still very fare from ideal society and state and I think current political system is very far from ideal.
We, people, should have freedom in average life, business, planning family etc. and government should be small and effective, taking care only about army, monetary policy, national health care, public schools etc.
Freedom society is regulated by the market, based on supply and demand.
Local communities should take care about security and protect people.



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