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March 09, 2016, 09:27:37 PM
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So what are your thoughts, Is there really a designer or our body makes the one who constructs us to be fit in the environment we have?
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March 10, 2016, 08:41:58 PM
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So what are your thoughts, Is there really a designer or our body makes the one who constructs us to be fit in the environment we have?

Natural selection and evolution seem to make the most sense, humans have been around a mere blip in the existence of the universe and mother nature had plenty of time to work her magic in reasonable peace. It's how the jump from chemical to biological processes happened that still seems to be missing - was it an asteriod hitting mixed with a solar flare glinting off the right chemical composition of soil on earth at the right time that sparked the first single cell life or a billion other possibilities?

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March 10, 2016, 09:10:02 PM
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So what are your thoughts, Is there really a designer or our body makes the one who constructs us to be fit in the environment we have?

Natural selection and evolution seem to make the most sense, humans have been around a mere blip in the existence of the universe and mother nature had plenty of time to work her magic in reasonable peace. It's how the jump from chemical to biological processes happened that still seems to be missing - was it an asteriod hitting mixed with a solar flare glinting off the right chemical composition of soil on earth at the right time that sparked the first single cell life or a billion other possibilities?

Still don't know the answer for that, many scientist still can't explain how abiogenesis work. But all I know this is not a fine-tuned life cause if it is, we should not be curing cancer right now.
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March 11, 2016, 06:21:40 AM
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Natural selection is selection. Selection involves intelligence.

Nobody knows how evolution works. There is no known evolution process that takes us all the way from inanimate material to life to human life. All current evolution processes have gigantic missing/unknown areas that do not make the process complete enough to work.

If we figured out a working evolution process, we still wouldn't know if that process was the process that made life. Why not? Because we were not there to watch it happen. It might have happened some other way, even if that way were a different form of evolution.

In addition, the greatest scientific law is cause and effect. Cause and effect means that everything that exists was caused by one or more things causing it to exist the way that it exists. Science is continually attempting to find out the cause for everything that exists.

At the same time science looks for causes, neither science nor any other process has found anything that acts according to pure random. Everything was caused that we can see. This means that everything has been programmed. Programming needs a programmer. And programming of something as great as the universe suggests a very intelligent Programmer. Such a Programmer fits our definitions of the word "God."

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March 11, 2016, 07:16:44 AM
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At the same time science looks for causes, neither science nor any other process has found anything that acts according to pure random. Everything was caused that we can see. This means that everything has been programmed. Programming needs a programmer. And programming of something as great as the universe suggests a very intelligent Programmer. Such a Programmer fits our definitions of the word "God."

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There are plenty of theories over how the universe started and how life on earth got going, but no - it doesn't naturally mean there was a "programmer" as you describe it. The fact the universe exists is incredible and there may never be an answer to why. Given infinite time and a space full of flying molten rocks of all different make ups, it is not unexpected that life might spawn.

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March 11, 2016, 03:24:33 PM
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Natural selection is selection. Selection involves intelligence.

Nobody knows how evolution works. There is no known evolution process that takes us all the way from inanimate material to life to human life. All current evolution processes have gigantic missing/unknown areas that do not make the process complete enough to work.

If we figured out a working evolution process, we still wouldn't know if that process was the process that made life. Why not? Because we were not there to watch it happen. It might have happened some other way, even if that way were a different form of evolution.

In addition, the greatest scientific law is cause and effect. Cause and effect means that everything that exists was caused by one or more things causing it to exist the way that it exists. Science is continually attempting to find out the cause for everything that exists.

At the same time science looks for causes, neither science nor any other process has found anything that acts according to pure random. Everything was caused that we can see. This means that everything has been programmed. Programming needs a programmer. And programming of something as great as the universe suggests a very intelligent Programmer. Such a Programmer fits our definitions of the word "God."

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You mean everything has a first mover, like there's always a creator of something. Then I'd say who created your god? No one? Coz he's "GOD" . Well nah, that special pleading is already faulty. That it's easy to refute and debunked.
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March 11, 2016, 03:28:40 PM
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At the same time science looks for causes, neither science nor any other process has found anything that acts according to pure random. Everything was caused that we can see. This means that everything has been programmed. Programming needs a programmer. And programming of something as great as the universe suggests a very intelligent Programmer. Such a Programmer fits our definitions of the word "God."

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Nah, he's not a great programmer as you told so. Coz as I said if it is, then we're not supposedly curing cancer right now.
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