ASIC Competitor in Europe?

[zerogravity]

Hi,

Newbie section is probably not the right place for this question
but i couldnt post it anywhere else so...

Is there any company in Europe who sells ASIC hardware for bitcoin mining?

If i look in MINING section i can only see the following competitors

• AVALON - China
• BFL - US
• ASICMINER - China (self mining)

So i wonder if there are other options... in Europe maybe

[Blazr]

There is no ASIC manufacturer's in Europe at the moment.

[freakying99]

There is no ASIC manufacturer's in Europe at the moment.

It suck to pay customs, right?

[vdragon]

There was a story of some Swiss company making some. Google it, I dont remember the website

[cedivad]

It suck to pay customs, right?

Of course, but who's to say you have to pay?

I'm sure most of the manufacturers will put down "gift" and value as "no commercial value" on the customs forms if you ask nicely. If not, there are a bunch of reshipping companies in the US that will reship the product and let you fill out the customs forms yourself.

I don't think a customs officer is going to know what a Bitcoin ASIC is or how much money its worth.

"This 15 Kg computer is certanly worthless"

[cedivad]

I've decided to ship mine to the US due to customs and the power costs i would have paid here in the EU, however i wouldn't risk not to pay the 20% of VAT and to have my ASIC locked at the customs, thus losing a lot of money while i pay to have it unlocked.
Maybe in the future it could make sense.

[Blazr]

I've decided to ship mine to the US due to customs and the power costs i would have paid here in the EU

Thats probably the best thing to do.

i wouldn't risk not to pay the 20% of VAT and to have my ASIC locked at the customs, thus losing a lot of money while i pay to have it unlocked.

If they seize it (and thats a pretty big if) they rarely hold for more than 24 hrs, each country has its own laws regarding how long they can hold it for. All you do is ring 'em up and tell them its not worth anything because its damaged, a gift, obsolete, a factory second, <insert excuse here>, and they'll release it. Or you can of course scan the invoice in, email it & the mailman will knock at your door with the package and to collect the tax the next working day.

In some countries if you were to declare the full value of your ASIC its very likely a greedy postal worker will steal it, which is why many retailers will under-declare if you ask (Amazon have even done it for me before).

[greyhawk]

Newsflash: Customs has Internet too. So they'll hop up on google type in butterfly labs and the first thing they see is a 30000 Dollar computer that you just tried to smuggle through as a "gift" with "no commercial value". Have fun explaining that.

[Blazr]

Newsflash: Customs has Internet too. So they'll hop up on google type in butterfly labs and the first thing they see is a 30000 Dollar computer that you just tried to smuggle through as a "gift" with "no commercial value". Have fun explaining that.

That doesn't mean its in full retail condition, who's to say the one you received isn't broken, a factory second etc etc. You could tell them that your one is left over stock from a really old model that isn't for sale anymore and isn't worth much, and that you got it for free as a gift because of this. Besides, customs have better things to do such as finding drugs being smuggled into the country rather than catching some dude trying to avoid being raped by excessive taxes.

Have fun explaining that.

I've explained away much worse to them before and am now of the opinion that they really don't care. Anyways, you can always back out and give them the invoice and pay the tax if they do seize it.

[DarkBet]

ohh woops, I made an order from BFL a couple weeks ago to EU, didnt think about this

[vdragon]

In EU, it depends from country to country. I got a lot of experience in that since I live all over. In Hungary, you can get free pass, just make a sad face and say its broken of a gift in the local customs/post office. In Austria, you are screwed. If its marked as gift, they simply dont mind, they look it up on internet and charge tax + customs, and it is like 35% on the internet price. If you ordered BFL, you are screwed. Germany, almost same. Italy, same as Hungary

[MrHighClass]

There is this primeasic guy who claims to be in hungary : http://primeasic.com/

[vdragon]

There is this primeasic guy who claims to be in hungary : http://primeasic.com/

 So far he only claims...

[tpantlik]

There was a story of some Swiss company making some. Google it, I dont remember the website

Good luck:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146371.0;all