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July 01, 2013, 04:35:23 PM
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This guy nailed it...

Instead of blaming ASICMINER for delivering what they promised, why not blame the "competition" for failing to deliver anything on time? If they did, ASICMINER wouldn't stand out so much. Their only fault is delivering on time.

This.

The amount of sour grapes in this thread is ridiculous.

Remember that it is BFL that is NINE MONTHS delivering their product. And it doesn't look like they are going to make the 90 day promise they made about a month ago either. Their promise of delivery back as far as October was completely fraudulent. They must have known they were months away from delivering every time they said they'd be shipping in 2 weeks. BFL customers should be pissed as this was blatant illegal behavior.

Avalon is also multiple months late on batch 2 and just last week they said they'd be finished shipping by the end of the month. Well, here it is July 1st and all of batch 2 has not been shipped out yet. Also there is plenty of evidence that they were mining with customers machines in the meantime. That is bad. Very bad.

Now, let's look at ASICMiner. They developed a working product, and have both mined and sold it and sold shares which have returned higher dividends than anyone could have expected. If you bought shares just a few months ago you would have 5 times your money just from the share price alone!

Their hardware was expensive, but they delivered immediately and the hardware worked as claimed so plenty of people bought it anyways. IMO, they priced the hardware PERFECTLY. Any lower and they would have been screwing over their shareholders! Remember that they had no competition for mining hardware at the time! Neither Avalon nor BFL could sell you a product they would deliver right away. ASICMiner has been nothing but trustworthy so far. If you are frustrated by their success, just buy some shares and share in the profits.

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July 01, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
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If hardware can not be bought off the shelf for next day delivery then it just makes the entire mining game and ELITIST business just like the banks.
And if hardware could be bought off the shelf for next day delivery, then most people would not bother to mine because they would only be earning pennies on top of ROI.

Don't worry though, the day will come when ASICs become a readily available commodity. Once that happens people will be spending their resources searching for other things, such as cheap 0.02 cent/Kwh electricity.

That argument is so flawed - so no one was mining bitcoins until ASICS became available? So what were people mining with back in 2008? I think you will find a great deal more people were mining Bitcoins with off the shelf hardware than they were with ASICS for the past 5 years.

When ASICs become readily available you will have to spend $100,000 on hardware just to have any kind of decent profit. I don't know many people accept for large businesses that will throw $100,000 at hardware so kind of putting it in the elitist territory.
I am willing to bet that are more people mining with ASICs today (including USB block eruptors) than there were CPU miners in late 2010.

That wasn't my point though. Mining will always be competitive and the so-called "elitists" will always control the hashrate. For example, in early 2011 when GPU mining was very profitable picking up ATI 5870's and 5970's were is short supply. People like Vladimir who had direct access to a hardware distributor cornered all the available high end GPUs and built his giant GPU farm. Other people like myself were left with low-end 5830's. (I still manged to mine over 1000 BTC with 8 5830's in the spring of 2011).
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July 01, 2013, 05:46:32 PM
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If hardware can not be bought off the shelf for next day delivery then it just makes the entire mining game and ELITIST business just like the banks.
And if hardware could be bought off the shelf for next day delivery, then most people would not bother to mine because they would only be earning pennies on top of ROI.

Don't worry though, the day will come when ASICs become a readily available commodity. Once that happens people will be spending their resources searching for other things, such as cheap 0.02 cent/Kwh electricity.

That argument is so flawed - so no one was mining bitcoins until ASICS became available? So what were people mining with back in 2008? I think you will find a great deal more people were mining Bitcoins with off the shelf hardware than they were with ASICS for the past 5 years.

When ASICs become readily available you will have to spend $100,000 on hardware just to have any kind of decent profit. I don't know many people accept for large businesses that will throw $100,000 at hardware so kind of putting it in the elitist territory.
I am willing to bet that are more people mining with ASICs today (including USB block eruptors) than there were CPU miners in late 2010.

That wasn't my point though. Mining will always be competitive and the so-called "elitists" will always control the hashrate. For example, in early 2011 when GPU mining was very profitable picking up ATI 5870's and 5970's were is short supply. People like Vladimir who had direct access to a hardware distributor cornered all the available high end GPUs and built his giant GPU farm. Other people like myself were left with low-end 5830's. (I still manged to mine over 1000 BTC with 8 5830's in the spring of 2011).


Dude you have completely contradicted yourself - first you say no one would mine with off the shelf hardware and then go on to say that GPU's were very profitable in 2011. Which one is it - people do or do not mine with off the shelf hardware?

The difference between a 5830 and a 5970 is not 100X like the jump from GPU's to ASICs.

And furthermore what ASICs? There have been 3 batches of AVALON units with all of batch 2 not even been delivered yet - let alone batch 3 - Very few USB Erupters because at the price ASICminer were charging they would never pay for themselves and most people could do the maths on that one.

AVALON have been selling chips with only the developer samples actually delivered. BFL have delivered at best maybe 1000 5ghs and a few 500ghs units. Who else is there?

So in essence very few people have them yet they are now cornering the market - which again is totally against the ethos of bitcoins.




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July 01, 2013, 09:10:55 PM
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Eventually someone will bring up this topic, so why not just start here...

If AsicMiner will add 800-1000TH to mining, then the individual's small machines will be useless. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=247168.msg2622243#msg2622243

When this happens, will anyone think it is justifiable to block mining power from China? Will this cause too much collateral damage since there are so many individual miners in China as well?

If it is justifiable, then how to do it technically or what is the process to seek consensus?

Lol, yea, let's DDOS China. They have it coming.

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July 01, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
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So what were people mining with back in 2008?
I think they mined with their right hands, and they didn't produce bitcoins.
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July 01, 2013, 10:05:47 PM
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Another stupid thread....
Go learn about tunneling and VPN before you make any more stupid suggestions....

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July 02, 2013, 02:40:33 AM
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Lol, yea, let's DDOS China. They have it coming.
Well...they keep DDOSing our datacenters so maybe we should.  Tongue
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