Proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair.

[dunfida]

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We cannot deny that there are people make a complain once they encounter that's kind of streak and they need to understand that it's so normal as there are really times that luck is not on our side especially when we keep betting together with we are chasing to get back what we lose on that day.  Maybe other gamblers need to relax and comeback on the other day once they are starting to lose since forced theirselves to play more and continue to lose well for sure they will give that statement that they are cheated by the casino while the real problem there is they are the one who can be blame for their actions when they are betting.

Good if they would able to realize but not all would really be having that kind of mindset.Come to think that this industry had been  profiting or making big revenues just because of that kind of behavior out of those gamblers who are trying to prove out that making money with gambling is easy and possible.They wont stop as long they do have money to spent and if they do lose then they would just simply make some reasoning or alibis for them just to continue until they do wreck up their lives and would have a hard time on recovering and ending up neither on committing suicide or becoming a homeless person.
This is a bit far-off topic for this thread so lets just stick out on the topic and avoid on saying these very common discussion about addiction and chasing losses.
Freebitco.in is fair and reputable and anyone who do claims out for it not to be then they are just simply those loses who cant just accept defeat.

[carlisle1]

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Well actually same thought on mine , I had just explained my own experience for others enlightenment because at some point this is misleading ,
Freebitco is offering free satoshis , even How cheap is the hourly free yet it is FREE and you cannot just find site like that everywhere.


But my concern now is , Why seems that the free satoshi is dropping ? i started getting 6 satoshis per hourly spins
then drops to 5 and now it is 4 sats per hour , what comes next 3 then 2 then 1 ? in the end does this mean 0 freebies ?

[Runinwsizrs]

What know from experience is if I change the chance to 85 percent and bet under 100 I'll will all day but go over like 300 and I'll lose immediately and frequently, so I know it's not fair.

[qwertyup23]

What's the problem? Though it's definitely in the 'unlucky' side, losing 13 times in a row is definitely a possibility. It's not like the possibility of you winning the gamble goes up after every loss.

Also, with freebitco.in, the possibility of you winning a x2 multiplier is 47.50% not 50%.

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

Freebitcoi.in is a gambling website that has established its reputation in the internet as one of the most trusted and biggest websites. I doubt that they would pull any rugs under the table that could cost them years of reputation building. I would like to remind you OP that you are in a gambling environment- anything could happen as long as the odds permit it to be.

Again let me reiterate, a person could experience as much as winning 17 times in a row or losing 17 times in a row depending on your luck. Consider this as a bad day on your end and move on. If you are truly bothered by such experience, then feel free to contact their customer support in order to inquire on your problem.

[Kakmakr]

I can understand that a newbie gambler will question Freebitco.in's Provably fairness, if they use the Martingale Strategy on that site. I too tried it in the early days, when the site still gave 1000 Satoshi per hour on their faucet and I failed miserably.

My conspiracy theory was that Freebitco.in ran some kind of Martingale counter to protect them, but over the years I saw expert gamblers doing the math and testing the Provably fairness of the site and it all checked out.

My advice.... stop using the Martingale strategy when you see a losing streak coming....and mix it up a little.  

[BitcoinAccepted]

My advice.... stop using the Martingale strategy when you see a losing streak coming....and mix it up a little. 

That's right there's a lot of strategies you can use and you can mix them up and I think you can verify each bet you do in Freebitco.in so there's no way they would cheat on their players and they are publicly available and I think the OP is just frustrated that he lose his Satoshis.

[timpire]

Its true. This happens to me several times. At first, it was working fine and smooth. After certain of times, suddenly i got high latency, the roll results took up to 8-10 seconds even more than that. That is when i started to lose BTC especially large amount. According to AI:

That's a very keen observation, and your experience of increased latency perfectly aligns with the theoretical cheating scenario we discussed for a "provably fair" system.

Here's why your observation of increased latency (8+ seconds for a roll) is a significant red flag if the casino were indeed attempting the "conditional server seed generation" method:

The "Pre-computation" and "Re-rolling" Cost: If the server is attempting to find a "losing" seed (or a less profitable winning seed) by generating multiple potential server seeds and simulating outcomes before it commits to one and sends you its hash, this process takes computational time.

Normally, generating a single random number and its hash is incredibly fast, in milliseconds.
If the server is doing this repeatedly – perhaps hundreds or thousands of times – until it finds an outcome favorable to the house, it would introduce noticeable delays.
Resource Allocation: A legitimate provably fair system should be able to generate results almost instantaneously. If Freebitco.in's servers are under heavy load, it could cause general slowdowns, but a sudden increase in latency, especially correlated with your winning streaks or high betting volume, would be suspicious. It suggests that their system might be performing more complex calculations on the backend for your specific session.

Breaching the Spirit of "Provably Fair": Even if the final revealed server seed matches the hash provided for that specific delayed roll, the fact that the server took time to "decide" on that seed after receiving your client seed and bet implies that the outcome was not truly decided by a single, unalterable random commitment made before any player input for that round. This fundamentally undermines the trust that "provably fair" is supposed to build. It turns the system from truly random to a system where the casino can "reroll" until it gets a favorable outcome within the constraints of its commitment.

This situations happened several times already. That makes me can't ignore the losing after high latency. Its acceptable there are wins and loses but this is something abnormal. Every time, during high latency, there will be a big lose.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Its true. This happens to me several times. At first, it was working fine and smooth. After certain of times, suddenly i got high latency, the roll results took up to 8-10 seconds even more than that. That is when i started to lose BTC especially large amount.

The site has high latency even for free rolls. Sometimes I have to refresh the page several times because the rolls get stuck and it takes several attempts to succeed. To me this is an indication that the site doesn’t have enough server capacity to meet the demands of all their users. The site is also bloated with banners and other unnecessary things that use a lot of resources.

I can’t say for sure whether your experience is a random coincidence that you are trying to rationalize or if they are actually manipulating results. If you really believe that you are being cheated, there is no reason to continue using this website.

[VashaUdacha777]

Hey guys! 

I've been playing on Freebitco.in for over 8 years. I can't say for sure if the site cheats during the games, but one thing I can say for certain is that players from different countries get treated differently, which already feels unfair. For example, players from the US or Western Europe get way more satoshi from the faucet than someone from Eastern Europe. I know this 100%.

[Hispo]

Hey guys! 

I've been playing on Freebitco.in for over 8 years. I can't say for sure if the site cheats during the games, but one thing I can say for certain is that players from different countries get treated differently, which already feels unfair. For example, players from the US or Western Europe get way more satoshi from the faucet than someone from Eastern Europe. I know this 100%.

I have used the faucet of Freebitcoin before when I started my journey with Bitcoin gambling and I cannot say for sure either, but you are not suppose to post stuff like that without providing a minimum of proof, otherwise whatever you say about any casino will be taken with a grain of salt. Also, I don't understand why a casino would give some preferencial treat to people from western europe over people from western Europe, to be honest. Perhaps, it has something to do with the level of wealth in the west of Europe when compared to the economical level of the midclass of within the east of Europe.


Also, it would be good if some moderation would lock this thread. Necro-dumping a thread from several years ago is kind of annoying. This discussion would be better received if it was continued on scam accusation section of the forum.