[FANT] Fight Against Negative Trust

[Lutpin]

It's not the same thing when you replace mod-wannabes with actual mods and admins. Are you saying that mods can't read 2 or 3 lines of text which a red paint usually consists of and decide for themselves what to do with the account in question?

You're right, you're replacing people who want to do this and actually are doing it already with people who don't want to get involved with it in the first place.
The forum doesn't want to moderate scams, and hence moderators don't get involved with this (at least not in their role as moderators, what they do as users is something different).

Or do you prefer to have random people giving feedbacks just because they think someone sneezed at the wrong moment?

I have random negative feedbacks for the best reasons you can imagine. I tend to ignore those, as every other sane user does.

[minifrij]

It's not the same thing when you replace mod-wannabes with actual mods and admins.

What's the point though? What makes a mod's opinion any higher than those in DT? Because they have the word 'Global Moderator' or 'Administrator' under their names?

Are you saying that mods can't read 2 or 3 lines of text which a red paint usually consists of and decide for themselves what to do with the account in question?

I see this argument over and over again from people who probably have no idea how the forum works currently. The staff of the forum are currently too busy to do much more than they already are.
In addition, it would then be who could do it. Since regular staff members cannot moderate the entire forum, only newbies and specific sections, I'm guessing that they would be out of the running for something as widespread as the trust system. That leaves the Global Moderators (Of which there are three, all of whom I imagine are somewhat busy already) and Administrators (Of which there are three, two of which are inactive/busy).
So, you expect four active users to moderate the entire trust system (that isn't just as simple as reading '2 or 3 lines of text')? Get real.

Or do you prefer to have random people giving feedbacks just because they think someone sneezed at the wrong moment?

Random feedbacks that, as Lutpin said, can very easily be ignored? The only trust feedback that matters to I expect the majority of users is that of those on DT2 or above. These people are not random, they were put on to the system for a reason.

[gkv9]

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Or do you prefer to have random people giving feedbacks just because they think someone sneezed at the wrong moment?

Random feedbacks that, as Lutpin said, can very easily be ignored? The only trust feedback that matters to I expect the majority of users is that of those on DT2 or above. These people are not random, they were put on to the system for a reason.

To your reply minifrij, I would like to tell you that not all DT2 members can too watch that part or so and give their valuable positive/negative/neutral trust... So, what I have now planned is, I will let this thread alive and will question to those who have accused/negated/gave BS comments on other members' profiles without any reasons, ponder their references/proofs and will finally give a judgement based on community's help and reviews...
In the end, admins have the privileges to either remove that fake trust rating or ban the person who gave it, else this thread is meant to know about such decisions made by the whole community and not alone me...

[botany]

The old "scammer" tag was approved manually.
The shift to the Default Trust mechanism was precisely because the mods/admins didnt want to get involved.

[shorena]

Remove the feedback system and disband all the default trust members. Create a ticket system where fellow forumers send in their accusations against suspects and let the mods and admins read the reports at the end of the day and deal with the cases objectively and according to the forum rules. There are too many vigilantes stirring the pot already and making the forum experience not fun for everyone else.

So you replace DT with Staff and get the same thing (or at least a similar) at the end, only that you will get less activity from it, since mods are busy anway with moderating the forum/posts (their main purpose).

It's not the same thing when you replace mod-wannabes with actual mods and admins. Are you saying that mods can't read 2 or 3 lines of text which a red paint usually consists of and decide for themselves what to do with the account in question? Or do you prefer to have random people giving feedbacks just because they think someone sneezed at the wrong moment?

The default trust network is not randomly generated. It was set in place by theymos (admin), its root (DefaultTrust) is controlled by theymos (admin). Its level 1 members are 42% staff:

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    theymos (admin)
    HostFat (staff)
    dooglus (-)
    Maged (-)
    dserrano5 (-)
    OgNasty (-)
    Tomatocage (-)
    SaltySpitoon (staff)
    DeaDTerra (-)
    BadBear (admin)
    philipma1957 (-)
    Cyrus (admin)
    Blazed (-)
    OldScammerTag (admin controlled)