California Declaratioin of Independence

[jabaguru]

Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

[funkenstein]

Nice thought, but there is no right to secede, as the Pledge of Allegiance states “one nation, under God, indivisible.”

LoL!  The constitution came first, holmes.  I mean, thanks for pointing out you were brainwashed in elmentary school and all but at this point you are reading on your own so take a look at some other views:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-its-constitutional/

[Rmcdermott927]

This reminds me of "fallout: new Vegas" with the New California Republic.   

[Sithara007]

Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

California will not be able to exist as an independent country. If they secede from the United States, then the only viable option for them is to merge with Mexico (even Arizona and New Mexico can try this). The local economy will disintegrate if they remain as an independent nation.

[tvbcof]

Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

California will not be able to exist as an independent country. If they secede from the United States, then the only viable option for them is to merge with Mexico (even Arizona and New Mexico can try this). The local economy will disintegrate if they remain as an independent nation.

You have to have some reason to say this before it makes sense.

When I was down there in the dot-com days, they loved to say that it was the 5th largest economy in the world.  (When I was in Texas those folks liked to brag about everything being big, but their deer looked like large rabbits to me.)  CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Basically, CA has the natural resources to make a fairly thriving independent nation.  Their only real problem is that they got all fucked up in the head somehow.  It's a matter of conjecture whether they became a death-cult as a result of the brain eating virus or the other way around.  One way or another, they could more easily lose Silicon Valley than they may imagine.  It is composed in large part by migrants who've left for greener pastures before and are quite capable of doing so again.

Joining with Mexico would shorten CA's TTL by a few hops as the new owners carve up the spoils, but the end result is the same.  Their kind of sickness could eventually drag the rest of the U.S. down as they chronically infect other states via money'd expats (most recently Colorado seems to have fallen quite ill) so I hope they declare independence sooner than later.

[Mihho]

Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

California will not be able to exist as an independent country. If they secede from the United States, then the only viable option for them is to merge with Mexico (even Arizona and New Mexico can try this). The local economy will disintegrate if they remain as an independent nation.

I agree with you. It is impossible to separate without loss. This is a very stupid move for the economy. She is not ready to be independent

[Sithara007]

CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Climate change will destroy the agricultural sector in the Central Valley. Already, the state is facing a severe drought, and the situation is likely to escalate in the future. Also, the water-rich Northern California is heavily Republican, and they are unlikely to support the secession.

[tvbcof]

CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Climate change will destroy the agricultural sector in the Central Valley. Already, the state is facing a severe drought, and the situation is likely to escalate in the future. Also, the water-rich Northern California is heavily Republican, and they are unlikely to support the secession.

Pesticides and/or geoengineering and/or something already has done great damage.  My bee-keeper friend tells me with some authority that keepers don't even bring their bees there anymore, and isolate their non-CA hives from any which have been in the central valley because something which nobody understands is going on.  But not to worry: robotic drone bees can come to the rescue so I read in the new-age scientism rags.  I'm sure they won't be doing double-duty by data collecting (aka, spying) with a high granularity though.

As for water, I note with interest that under the super-eco government they were poisoning aquifers with oil drilling waste.  Wouldn't it be a crying shame if the state developed a severe shortage of water?  I mean in such a disaster poor Jerry and his minions might need to take a lot more control of even more aspects of resource management and people would have to pay a lot more for water.  People might just have to be stack-n-pack'd in mega-regions.  To 'save the earth' ya-know.

One very key element of 'austerity' is that those who control resources (multi-national corporate interests mostly these days) can get a lot more money for a lot less product.  'Climate change' is a total scam, but it is only part of the game here.  An important and key part to be sure however.

[birareru1988]

CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Climate change will destroy the agricultural sector in the Central Valley. Already, the state is facing a severe drought, and the situation is likely to escalate in the future. Also, the water-rich Northern California is heavily Republican, and they are unlikely to support the secession.

Pesticides and/or geoengineering and/or something already has done great damage.  My bee-keeper friend tells me with some authority that keepers don't even bring their bees there anymore, and isolate their non-CA hives from any which have been in the central valley because something which nobody understands is going on.  But not to worry: robotic drone bees can come to the rescue so I read in the new-age scientism rags.  I'm sure they won't be doing double-duty by data collecting (aka, spying) with a high granularity though.

As for water, I note with interest that under the super-eco government they were poisoning aquifers with oil drilling waste.  Wouldn't it be a crying shame if the state developed a severe shortage of water?  I mean in such a disaster poor Jerry and his minions might need to take a lot more control of even more aspects of resource management and people would have to pay a lot more for water.  People might just have to be stack-n-pack'd in mega-regions.  To 'save the earth' ya-know.

One very key element of 'austerity' is that those who control resources (multi-national corporate interests mostly these days) can get a lot more money for a lot less product.  'Climate change' is a total scam, but it is only part of the game here.  An important and key part to be sure however.

Bees are dying all over the world. It's probably not genetic engineering is to blame. I think the reason is that fields are treated with herbicides and pesticides. Bees are not adapted to them.

[tvbcof]

Taiwanese Animators strike again:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__QT2KH36I

[Sithara007]

Pesticides and/or geoengineering and/or something already has done great damage.  My bee-keeper friend tells me with some authority that keepers don't even bring their bees there anymore, and isolate their non-CA hives from any which have been in the central valley because something which nobody understands is going on.  But not to worry: robotic drone bees can come to the rescue so I read in the new-age scientism rags.  I'm sure they won't be doing double-duty by data collecting (aka, spying) with a high granularity though.

As for water, I note with interest that under the super-eco government they were poisoning aquifers with oil drilling waste.  Wouldn't it be a crying shame if the state developed a severe shortage of water?  I mean in such a disaster poor Jerry and his minions might need to take a lot more control of even more aspects of resource management and people would have to pay a lot more for water.  People might just have to be stack-n-pack'd in mega-regions.  To 'save the earth' ya-know.

One very key element of 'austerity' is that those who control resources (multi-national corporate interests mostly these days) can get a lot more money for a lot less product.  'Climate change' is a total scam, but it is only part of the game here.  An important and key part to be sure however.

But even with all this pollution, California remains as the agricultural powerhouse of the United States. Still, it needs to be seen how the sector will perform once the state secede from the United States. I am not very sure whether the remainder of the US would still prefer fruit and wine from California over those from foreign countries, if the state becomes an independent sovereign nation.

[ivanpoldark]

This an utopia, the water to entire Central Valley is fed from another state, for this purpose even built the Hoover Dam.

[BADecker]

Nice thought, but there is no right to secede, as the Pledge of Allegiance states “one nation, under God, indivisible.”

The Pledge is not binding on anyone.

While the California Government may not have the right to secede, the people do. If they want to secede, all they have to do is depart out of the Government. Then form a new Government by voluntary association among themselves, and use the jury to dismiss anything the Federal Government tries to do to them. After all, the jury and proclamations in the Preamble to the US Constitution, along with the 6th, 7th, 9th, and 10th Amendments spell this out to the Federal Government, so that the Federal Government can see right in its own documents that they have no authority over the JURY.

This way California will never need to secede. Their new voluntary agreement nation will simply exist and do everything in California, while the formal California State will do nothing except just sit there. If it does nothing, who cares?

If the people of the Southern States had done this before the Civil war, there would have been no Civil War. But, people are ignorant and unthinking. And the Federal Government likes to keep them this way.

[tvbcof]

This an utopia, the water to entire Central Valley is fed from another state, for this purpose even built the Hoover Dam.

I spent a fair number of weekends exploring the Sierras across from the Bay Area.  Many if not all of the many major watershed draining the Western slope have dams.  IIRC, the water from lake Edison is used 9 times for power generation then becomes irrigation for the Central Valley.

I suspect that you are flatly wrong in implying that Hoover Dam water is a factor in most of the Central Valley irrigation, though it would not surprise me if it may have been used for that purpose in the Southern parts or in the now parched areas East of LA.

One the other side of the Sierra range, the city of Los Angeles owns the property around Mono Lake.  I know because there are signs all over the place marking it as such.  The lake itself has been much reduced.

[Sithara007]

This an utopia, the water to entire Central Valley is fed from another state, for this purpose even built the Hoover Dam.

I am not sure about it. As per my information, most of the water which is used for irrigation in the Central Valley comes from the highlands of Northern California. And regarding the Hoover Dam, most of the water from there is used up in Nevada and Arizona. Only a small portion reaches California.