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January 22, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
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Snowden went to Russia to shelter after revealing confidential NSA documents to the media. Could it be that he went to Russia as an agent? So he might have gone to Russia to work for the NSA? America might have shown Snowden as betraying the NSA.
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January 22, 2017, 11:18:52 PM
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Or he is spying on USA at the moment and has given all the information of NSA to Russia? Who knows, who knows  Tongue

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January 23, 2017, 05:13:29 AM
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Ah, maybe. But we can debate the circular logic of espionage all day long and never get to a more confident answer.

He could have fled to Russia b/c he had sensitive information about the US, which Russia would want.

He could have fled to Russia as an agent for the CIA - if they happened to catch him first. But what other value could he have provided after he fled the government job he was working? Once he wen't public he lost all power over and access to the classified information that any country would want.
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January 23, 2017, 05:25:46 AM
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From a different thread, but more fitting here:


Of course Snowden is the exact enemy of the CIA.  We all know that.  Snowden isn't our enemy, but he is their enemy.
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I personally don't know that.  I think it highly likely correct, but am not sure and never have been.

From the establishment's point of view you've got two major things at work here:

 - Want the spycraft secret so you can catch unwitting people.  This works less well as more information is out there.

 - Want the surveillance public so that people are afraid to do things which might be construed as being against the will of TPTB.  Obviously this intimidation doesn't work unless people know about it.

One can form a couple of curves here which have a meeting point.

The thing of it is, nothing really surprised me that much in the Snowden disclosures.  Lots of the stuff had been leaked/inferred by attentive techies, and presumably by criminals/terrorists who are on top of things enough to be a genuine threat or otherwise of interest.

To the second point, after the Snowden disclosures and others I know for a fact that some less technical people are, at this point in time, nervous about so much as watching Infowars.com vids on youtube in case they get put on a 'watch list' of some sort.

It is at least possible that the Snowden affair was a psy-op designed to switch the surveillance system to more of an intimidation tool.  I'm not saying I know one way or another, but until I have more confidence than I do currently I would not be in favor of letting Snowden totally off the hook.

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Manning and Assange are different (to me.)  I have a high degree of confidence in (and a lot of gratitude toward) Assange at this point.  I've always felt that Manning did the right thing for the right reasons.  One of the few positive actions of Obama that I can think of was that he commuted Manning's sentence, though it is tempered with the knowledge that he had the guy tortured to suicide levels for however many years.

I think if I were prez and had the ability to do so I would have denied Manning his/her freedom to much on the premature side given his crimes (and they were crimes), but as soon as it was clear the reasons for his actions and any useful info had been extracted, I would have given him a sentence in a minimum security environment and made things as comfortable for him as realistic.  I might even have given him some award or another as well.  I would be mindful of the fact that it is an act of bravery to leak information when no other workable channels are provided, and the lack of these is in a military setting ultimately leads right up to the commander-in-chief's desk.



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January 23, 2017, 06:25:15 AM
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Snowden went to Russia to shelter after revealing confidential NSA documents to the media. Could it be that he went to Russia as an agent? So he might have gone to Russia to work for the NSA? America might have shown Snowden as betraying the NSA.

If America wanted someone from NSA to be in Russia, they could make it happen. No country would simply just start trusting and giving away their secrets to a defector because he revealed something in another country.
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January 23, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
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He is definitely not a spy, the moment he steps foot in the USA they will ship him to a CIA black site never to been seen again and i doubt the Russians will trust anyone who could reveal his nations secrets just like that.
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January 23, 2017, 01:18:07 PM
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We still do not know what is the main reason why Snowden has left towards Russia. As we all know this agent business is very tricky, they will use any kind of measures to hide their own motives. Whether his movement is for America or for Russia is still not clear, it could also be that he is just hiding since there is a threat to his life. And last thing maybe the best answer is to say that only Snowden knows.
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January 23, 2017, 07:57:13 PM
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Snowden went to Russia to shelter after revealing confidential NSA documents to the media. Could it be that he went to Russia as an agent? So he might have gone to Russia to work for the NSA? America might have shown Snowden as betraying the NSA.

If America wanted someone from NSA to be in Russia, they could make it happen. No country would simply just start trusting and giving away their secrets to a defector because he revealed something in another country.

They may have used both methods. The first may have placed a betrayer there. The second is to place someone who does not betray. Agent competition has always been between Russia and the United States.
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January 24, 2017, 11:04:20 AM
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He is definitely not a spy, the moment he steps foot in the USA they will ship him to a CIA black site never to been seen again and i doubt the Russians will trust anyone who could reveal his nations secrets just like that.

The Russians don't trust him. Right now, he is quite useful to expose the CIA. God knows what will happen to him in the future. There is even a chance that the Russians will deport him to the US, in exchange for Viktor Bout or Roman Seleznev.

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