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March 02, 2013, 03:35:52 AM
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If there is no concern about running out, people won't mind giving up their excess XRP for a pittance, meaning spammers can acquire those XRP and use them to spam for a pittance as well. It's not like there is a happy medium. Pick any actual price and it becomes obvious. If XRP cost $0.000001 on the market that's a million spams for a dollar - too cheap to prevent spam. Hence spammers will bid up the price until it is no longer worth it for them. This works the same way even if there are a quadrillion XRP.

Any way you slice it, 1 XRP represents the ability to spam one time, and hence will tend toward the market price of however much the ability to spam once is worth to a spammer (as a bare minimum).
Spamming one time won't do anything. It takes hundreds to have any significant effect.

The type of spam we're trying to protect against is meaningless transactions that clog the network and block legitimate transactions. And it doesn't matter what the cost is, so long as it is non-zero. For an attacker to prevent your transaction from getting through, he must pay a higher fee for each of his transactions trying to clog you than you are willing to put behind that one single important transaction. It makes no difference if that's .00001 XRP or 50 XRP.

When the network is overloaded, the transaction fee is "bid up" to accommodate the load. Those with important transactions can just raise the fee they pay. Those with unimportant transactions can just wait it out. It just has to be something with some non-zero value or that an attacker will eventually run out of (or have to pay for).

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March 02, 2013, 03:44:15 AM
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Hence XRP are valuable.
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March 02, 2013, 03:46:33 AM
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What you don't know is that massive currency debasement with ripple is coming. How much? 100% of the amount floated to the public.

I don't think this is quite right. More likely, the XRP distribution strategy end-game will be to use open market XRP operations (selling or not selling) maintain a target peg between XRP and some target currency.

The peg will be adjusted to strike the desired balance between the rate of new user adoption (driven by the cost of new account creation, which requires 200 XRP reserve) and having a high exchange rate in the target currency.

Once the market for XRP is liquid (which it will be), it is a fairly trivial exercise to compute the corresponding demand curves with respect to price. Optimizing the calculation of the XRP peg to maximize revenue through the sale of XRP can be accomplished with reasonable precision.
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March 02, 2013, 03:47:33 AM
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Hence XRP are valuable.

This is no longer an open question.
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March 02, 2013, 07:53:11 AM
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RFC for proposal to eliminate both debasement and Flood Risk, while keeping founders and the network itself happy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148278.msg1574081#msg1574081

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March 16, 2013, 03:29:10 AM
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You never get tired of complaining and whining. Just another smoothie.
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March 16, 2013, 03:38:07 AM
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You never get tired of complaining and whining. Just another smoothie.
Oh the irony.

Let's not stop warning people about scam alt coins, should we?

Wow I'm so well known I get mentioned in other peoples' conversations lol.

Isnt that great? lol
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April 14, 2013, 01:50:31 PM
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You never get tired of complaining and whining. Just another smoothie.
Oh the irony.

Let's not stop warning people about scam alt coins, should we?

Wow I'm so well known I get mentioned in other peoples' conversations lol.
I'm not surprised you end up getting mentioned in a troll post like this lol.
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