Should Pool Op's have a choice on who mines on their pool and how?

[ahmed_bodi]

Should pool ops be able to have a say on who mines on their pool when:

People mine then raise the diff high enough to kill the coin
People are putting all their hash into one pool resulting in the possibility of a 51%
People manipulating the pool and errors inside

EDIT: think about this before you vote, if someone used the double spend bug, im sure youd be unhappy if you lost money, time and effort if the pool op wasnt able to compensate, So wouldnt a pool op feel the same when someone is using their pool to abuse a coin and their time and effort is lost with the destroyed coin?

[coinerd]

Should pool ops be able to have a say on who mines on their pool when:

People mine then raise the diff high enough to kill the coin
People are putting all their hash into one pool resulting in the possibility of a 51%
People manipulating the pool and errors inside

This is a very odd question.  IS there any question about this?

[ahmed_bodi]

I personally think they should, but ive talked to many other pool ops, and the overall opinion is it is a thankless job. Until a coin is killed, people complain about rules set on pools such as to stop hoppers, Then when a coin is killed or has a diff too high to mine, they moan about it then aswell

EDIT: on my pool i enforce thepart about high hash miner making the coin impossible to mine then leaving. in 3 steps
1. Email sent to hopper(no reply expected)
2.Second email if it happens again(Account Locked until reply is recieved)
3. Third email if it happens after that expecting a reply on whether they want to stop or leave the pool withdrawing their funds(if no reply delete miners or change donation and give that away to the miners)

[iGotSpots]

You do realize that the difficulty will change whether they are on a pool or not...forcibly changing to 100% donation or kicking people off that you feel are "too high hashrate" is a good way to kill the coin

[ahmed_bodi]

actually uve misunderstood theres a big difference. on my pool login and look at the miners theres one guy with 25mh im letting him stay. why? because he doesnt jump at the sign of the next diff change. some people do and they end up killing the coin, i dont want people like that on my pool end of story

[iGotSpots]

actually uve misunderstood theres a big difference. on my pool login and look at the miners theres one guy with 25mh im letting him stay. why? because he doesnt jump at the sign of the next diff change. some people do and they end up killing the coin, i dont want people like that on my pool end of story

You think wayyyy too highly of yourself. You're running a pool (by choice), not a brokerage firm, quit fucking with peoples money

[ahmed_bodi]

LOL, how about you go, make a pool and then tell me the effort it take to make, run and maintain all the pools

[r2vape]

He is thinking of the coins longevity, not himself.

[iGotSpots]

And on that note, here comes my first ignore on the board

[ahmed_bodi]

im not expecting pity, Im expecting to use my own brain to ensure that a coin does not get fucked over by idiots who only care about the money they earn and not about the coins. Those type of people which im sure includes you shouldnt be in crypto. I enforce the hopping rule, to protect the pool and the life of the coin. Period

[lyno]

I think your intention is understandable but won't work. Anybody who got enough hashpower to drive up the difficulty single handed also has enough to do so solo mining. And bigger groups / medium hash power hopping pools, i don't think it is possible to control that. No all got dedicated mining rigs. A lot of people, like me, are just hobby miners. Only one of my PCs is useful for scrypt mining and if i need that one for work there are no resources for mining left. So, when it comes to lower to medium hash rates a lot of fluctuation is natural.

Wasn't PPLNS developed to reduce difficulty based pool hopping? 

[12gaFacelift]

there is still the best option against stupide pool owner...p2pool 

[ahmed_bodi]

yes but im not running pplns im running prop. agreed lyno but atleast if their doing is single handedly soloing its off my chest that i helped to raise the difficulty sky high. Ask erundook the number of times i bashed him for having over 51% the network hash and supposedly stopping people from finding blocks

[ToxicDartFrog]

I'm on the side of pool ops shouldn't manipulate the pool. Understood diff jumping is a problem but isn't it the responsibility of the dev team to ensure their coin has proper diff recalculation to avoid the issue altogether? PXC and FTC devs dropped the blocks between retarget down and set max diff % changes which has been a pretty solid solution. Other altcoins have come up with similar solutions too.

If pool ops don't like how miners behave when mining certain alts, don't host a pool for that alt until the devs fix the coin ^_^

[ahmed_bodi]

I'm on the side of pool ops shouldn't manipulate the pool. Understood diff jumping is a problem but isn't it the responsibility of the dev team to ensure their coin has proper diff recalculation to avoid the issue altogether? PXC and FTC devs dropped the blocks between retarget down and set max diff % changes which has been a pretty solid solution. Other altcoins have come up with similar solutions too.

If pool ops don't like how miners behave when mining certain alts, don't host a pool for that alt until the devs fix the coin ^_^

i can agree with you there, but still wouldnt you prefer a pool that attempts to look after youre coins, rather than one which says lets just leave all the problems for everyone else, if the price falls or it 51% or theres a double spend bug its not my fault im an op, not a coder

[philipkdick]

Of course they should, , this breaks no free market economic rules it's  the op pool they can decide .

Anyone in theory can start a pool . This would actually help systems not hurt .