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May 02, 2013, 08:08:31 AM
Last edit: May 02, 2013, 08:23:32 AM by RationalSpeculator
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Very good summary. Indeed, buy and hold, doing nothing, although sold as the safest strategy, is indeed the most dangerous as it involves no locking in of profits.

I don't see how your strategy locks in profits. It's a zero sum game on the way down as I see it. Where am I missing it. Here is how I looked at this:

Imagine for a moment that you have $1000 to hold & invest. And that the price of bitcoin goes from $10/BTC to $100/BTC back to $10/BTC.
Assume price increments/decrements by $2 daily.

Initially, you bought $400 in bitcoins at $10/BTC, or BTC40. And hold the rest of the $600.
By the time the price peaks at $100/BTC, you have sold bitcoins so that your capital is now ~$2546 (about BTC10 and the rest in dollars)
But as it goes back down to $10/BTC, you return back to a total capital of ~$1000. (no gains got locked in) One caveat is that in the excel spreadsheet, it did show a tiny gain of $44 (or about 4.4%). I'm not sure if this was a miscalc, or an actual gain. But it's trivial considering the range the portfolio went through. It's not good that the 150% gain was not more significantly locked in. Perhaps, you have some other rules you use.

1. When do you make a correction to your exposure? I did them here on a daily basis.
2. What will you have when the price per bitcoin returns to the starting price?

From my calculations, if you corrected exposure to 40% daily, you end up back where you started after this roller coaster ends back at $10. Nothing was locked in.
When bitcoin peaked, there was the most capital. However, buying BTC on the way down simply lost the money back.

What's the purpose of this strategy again? If it's to have exposure to make gain from bitcoin, then it seems simply buying bitcoins one time now, walking away & holding is better, imo. Plus it would entail less headaches buying and selling.

Wauw, that's a very good critique. I needed some days to think about it. Thank you for doing these calculations, I never did them before.

I'm not sure what to say. I'll give it a try. Eventhough profits are not higher than a buy and hold, volatility of the portfolio is strongly reduced. This is because in this example you are only 40% exposed continuously. Meaning that when bitcoins goes up, your portfolio goes up only half as quick, and when bitcoin goes down, your portfolio only goes down half as much. If you were to never rebalance, and let the 40% just grow (up to say 90% of your portfolio) and then shrink (down to say 5% of your portfolio), your portfolio would be more volatile.

I'm still thinking this technique should also give more profit if market goes sideways, so end price the same, but in the meantime it has gone up and down several times. I believe this because for example on the day of the big crash I bought in a lot of coins around $70, since the crash went so fast my last sale price of coins was 2 days before that around $180. I bought back about the same amount of coins that I had sold during the big rally up to $266. I resold these coins into the recent rebound up to $160, for an average price of $120. So my technique created an extra profit a buy and hold strategy would not have given.  

However, I might totally be missing something. I do realize that if I had simply buy and hold, I would have more capital today. But I thought this was because bitcoin prices are still 10 times higher as my buy in price.  
Like in your simulation I'm doing that trading on a daily basis. From my rough calculations I will indeed have no profit if bitcoin prices go back to my original buy in price around $15. On first impression I agree with your conclusion, it's not worth it if your total gains are the same. Better buy and hold then and take the extra volatility with it.

I'm confused. I think I start to favor the buy and hold and locking in profits indefinitely when price milestones are reached.
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May 02, 2013, 09:40:33 AM
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This srategy creates a small profit and the more volatility there is the more profit it makes in the long run but its not for the impatient. Its not a get rich quick scheme.

If you want to trade this automatically to never miss any rebalancing opportunities even when you are sleeping then try to use something like the balancer bot: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181584.0

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May 02, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
Last edit: May 02, 2013, 10:16:46 AM by RationalSpeculator
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I have enjoyed reading the ideas about your investment strategies. I am not sure that they will work better than buy and hold in Bitcoins, as a day rise or fall can be above 20%, 30% or 40%. This means that target ranges of $100-$300 would leave you unable to profit should the price go below $100 or above $300. I think both are inevitable within the next 1-12 months - no idea which will happen first.

I have used a buy and hold investment.

I went as all in as I could (I had fewer assets than most other people here so it was not too risky. I had about £11,500 of which I wanted to keep around £2000 as a safety net as my current earnings are fairly low. I invested £9000 in MtGox at an average of £10-12 (plus £275 @ £3.60 on Bitmarket.EU now lost) 20 Months later I sold £10500 worth of Bitcoin at £40-£43 average. I now have my initial investment back and a profit from Bitcoins. I could have waited and sold out today at £93 or even at £170 at the peak, conversely I could have sold out at after 6-9 months for £1.50 or £5 after 1 month and lost lots of money.

I believe in the long term Bitcoin will keep rising and people who invested at £170 will easily be able to double there money or more if they have the patience to wait.  I also believe that me holding the vast majority of my assets in Bitcoins is possibly unwise, hence I was interested by your thread.

I was thinking of using a strategy of selling 1 BTC per week for the foreseeable future to generate some income, and slowly reduce my Bitcoin risk. I can still day trade occasionally and  If I can get good enough then I could possibly still keep hold of all my BTC's anyway as I would only have to earn 1 BTC profit per week. However this takes time, patience and luck that might be better served invested in my career, my relationship or completing the renovation of my partners house.

Is this a sound idea?

Hi Alex,

I really like your investment strategy. Smiley I'm always impressed by people who go all in and have succeeded in making their first decent capital. You also have been carefull by taking out your intitial investment and you have no intention to use that money to buy bitcoins again.

But indeed if bitcoin fails you will lose most of your capital at this moment. Is that something that you are willing to risk? Or if bitcoin is cut in half and you lose half of your capital, is that acceptable for you? If yes then all is well.

Your investment strategy to sell 1 btc per week so that you have an income, seems very solid to me. I can imagine that this would give you the ability to invest more time in your career or relationship (which is great Smiley ). This way if bitcoin ever fails, and most of your capital shrinks to zero, you would still have had great benefit from bitcoin. And if bitcoin succeeds you will still have a lot of coins left to get rich.

I like it very much. It's simpler as my strategy, seems to be more secure as you will definitely have profited from bitcoin if it fails, as well as more potential to become rich if it goes to the sky as you will have sold less coins percentage wise, as I did.

One thing I don't like about the idea of selling 1 btc per week is that you will also be selling when the prices are cheap and depressed (like in 2011 after the crash around £1.50 or £5). Ofcourse this balances out over time with other periods where you are selling 1 btc per week when the prices are high and overvalued. So on average you would be selling for a fair price.

If you would want to sell only when the price is relatively high, you could for example sell 1 btc per week, but only when the price is above the 200 day moving average (which is today around $40). Ofcourse this means that you would not be able to sell btc when price is below 200 day moving average (like in 2011 after the crash around £1.50 or £5) and thus you would not have an income then. And if price were to go to zero from here you will probably have taken out a lot less.

I would say, trust your own feelings. Only you can know what's best for you. And I have no clue about most things that are important to you.

Thank you so much for sharing. Your post was very inspirational to me.
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