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April 24, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
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Bitcoin being accepted by the mainstream would be pretty nice. That would mean that the price of Bitcoin will be pretty high because there would be more people are using it to make payments and that such.
If Bitcoin does get to the point where it's worth a bunch of money then I kind of have a feeling that Bitcoin's Blockchain will slow down because there won't be as much people wanting to spend to coins online or offline for fiat.

I think you've illustrated perfectly what "hinders bitcoin to become mainstream": there's no need for it.  Bitcoin doesn't offer to the mainstream, any marvellous possibility that they don't already have: be able to pay for things on the internet.  Most people buying stuff on the internet, have credit cards that allow them to.  Most people that could use bitcoin, have bank accounts (fiat bank accounts) that they use for receiving payments and sending payments.  Even though it costs some money to do so, this works very well for most people, and bitcoin doesn't solve a problem for them.
The fantastic possibility that bitcoin offers: "paying people on the internet", has already a widely used solution for most people, a solution they know, works well, and they are comfortable with: their bank and their credit card.  So why would they use bitcoin ?

The very fact that you say that this will make bitcoins very expensive, means that you are essentially (like most people) into it for "gains".  But what are gains in bitcoin ? They are: buying bitcoins cheap (and hence, early) to sell them expensively (and hence, late) to the last layer of adopters: a greater fool game.  Greater fool games come down when one runs out of greater fools.

Of course, there is the possibility of a global financial crisis that brings down the entire fiat system.  THEN, of course, people will not trust their banks and their credit cards any more.   Then bitcoin or other crypto will offer them something they can use, and that solves a problem for them.

But as it is now, there's not much in normal usage that can create a demand for bitcoin by most people.  If you tell them that they can stop using their bank, but now they have to go to an exchange on the internet, do a registration with AML/KYC rules, send their fiat money there, to get bitcoin, do finally their payment in bitcoin on the internet, what's the difference between a bank that is strictly under legal scrutiny, and an exchange that is somewhat more risky ? You have to use your bank, an exchange, and bitcoin, and pay fees on all of them, instead of just using your bank.  What good is that ?

There ARE applications of crypto: where fiat cannot go.  But most people don't go there either.

And yes, the greater fool game of "buying bitcoin now, when there is still low adoption, and sell it later, when there's full adoption" can still go on a long time.  But if you see that almost everybody already adopted bitcoin, why would you join ?  And who will pay for it then ?


You are forgetting one thing. You want to do everything on-chain forever. I expect that won't be the case with bitcoin.
Off-chain solution are only matter of time and will happen whether we like them or not.
Bitcoin will evolve, it won't be as anonymous as before, it will be quite transparent, but that is the price we shall pay for mass adoption.
We can't have private and anonymous coin which will be accepted and regulated by government. It won't happen.
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April 24, 2017, 02:30:53 PM
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Security? Crime? Inflation?
Bitcoin is money and thus serves the same functions that any money does: a medium of exchange, a unit of account, and a store of value.But can it prominently satisfy all these functions?

it cannot be hold or cannot be seen in reality, yes it has all the guts to be known all over the world but it takes more time for it to be popular enough, it need also more people that serves our witnesses that bitcoin is real and it may help us everyday.

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April 24, 2017, 02:31:57 PM
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I am pro bitcoin, but bitcoin can not make it in the mainstream if other countries would not make it as one! well each countries represent their own unique Fiat that are rotating in and outside their country, and by exchange rates this have made possible, and bitcoin was not really a country but a community and many people would not use it because of the knowledge they truly known with it.
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April 24, 2017, 02:41:36 PM
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Security? Crime? Inflation?
Bitcoin is money and thus serves the same functions that any money does: a medium of exchange, a unit of account, and a store of value.But can it prominently satisfy all these functions?
The main reason is the inflation since volatility is the cause why some traders are affraid to trade bitcoin. Crime doesn't belong since any for of money can he used negatively. Regarding the security, bitcoin is proven to secure its holders.
That is a really good point for me, I dont know how can anyone not agree with your opinion, that the crime doesnt make any influence on the bitcoin, because as you said every single currency may be used for the same purpose, like the gangs in US are using $ for paying gang members and to make settlements between criminal groups.

I think that the biggest roadblock for bitcoin currently, is that the price is way to volatile to see big part of the world using it as a another payment method.
It is because that the people who do not want to speculate, won't use bitcoin because it is simply not stable enough to use it as a store of value for them.
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April 25, 2017, 09:38:32 AM
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You are forgetting one thing. You want to do everything on-chain forever. I expect that won't be the case with bitcoin.
Off-chain solution are only matter of time and will happen whether we like them or not.

In fact, the question is not so much "on chain" or "off chain" ; that's only a technical matter.  The question is: what use case can crypto in general, and bitcoin in particular, bring to the mainstream that they didn't already got solved ?  I don't see any mainstream use case for these things, because the "law abiding citizen" has already all he needs for his payments.  You can buy stuff on the internet already with credit cards.  You can send money where-ever you want with your bank.  *in practice* bitcoin or most crypto don't help in anything a mainstream, law-abiding citizen may want to do with money, because you first have to obtain crypto through an exchange (a kind of dangerous bank on the internet where you can lose your money, where you have to send money from your actual bank), then do your payments, and don't make a mistake because there's no recourse.  It is only in those cases where it is difficult, expensive, dangerous or impossible to do the payment with your bank directly, that you go through the hassle of paying an exchange with your bank, withdraw the coins, and then pay using them.  There ARE such cases, but it is not to pay for the rent, to buy a car, to buy your groceries, to book a trip, to pay for a cab, .... where paying with a credit card works perfectly, and in any case with a lot less hassle than with crypto.

In all the useful cases, you certainly *don't* want the thing you're using to be like a bank, with legal control, transparency etc... because in almost all those cases, your normal bank can do the thing too, and you get legal protection on top of it.

The only "general use case" I can think of crypto, is when the local fiat system will be disfunctional, but you can for sure count on the fact that in those cases, there will be a serious crack-down on crypto ; and most probably, it will be extremely dangerous to try to pay your groceries with crypto, unless on top of that, the rest of government control crumbles.  I wonder whether the internet will continue to function in such areas.

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Bitcoin will evolve, it won't be as anonymous as before, it will be quite transparent, but that is the price we shall pay for mass adoption.
We can't have private and anonymous coin which will be accepted and regulated by government. It won't happen.

Bitcoin has never been anonymous, but has been considered like that by error.  If it is accepted and regulated by government, one has already a working system, that's my point.  I really don't see the use of "regulated crypto".  That's a contradiction, which has strictly no use case.

The only mainstream use case I see is "greater fool game".  If you hodl bitcoins or other crypto because "the price will increase because more people will buy it", then the last layer of users buying it will not see a price increase any more.  To what greater fools will they sell then ?
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April 25, 2017, 09:45:45 AM
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If still waiting or there is an obstacle to turning bitcoin into a valuable currency.

Is there any other solution to speed it up?

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April 25, 2017, 10:54:35 AM
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I feel its more education than anything, honestly for someone like myself I heard of bitcoin way back in like 2010 or so, sounded interesting wanted to spend 20$ on buying some but opted not to (bad decision could have made some money).  The reason why I didn't? It was confusing as hell to understand how to even get started. Fast forward now to 2017, I'm only starting to get in on this, and why?  Because there are slightly more resources now to understand what in the world bitcoin actually is and how to actually get started. 

Maybe if one day from an early age if people's kids are taught how to use bitcoin and what it is, then it will become more mainstream.

how lucky you are embraced bitcoin in 2010 even though you didn't buy anything at that time, well from 2009-2017 which is 8 years i think bitcoin is too young to be a mainstream currency, however i agree with you  that lack of adoption it's a major factor why bitcoin can't be a mainstream currency this is due to people are just too lazy or ignorant to use bitcoin, but i believe 50 years from now bitcoin would be more accepted globally, the other reason is government we all know that the government will not adopt bitcoin since they can't control it.
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April 25, 2017, 12:38:06 PM
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Bitcoin is simple cannot be hack we know that but the government cannot risk there money or currency if they are going to make bitcoin as a maincurrency we know that bitcoin is successful but at this time bitcoin is still in the process of test so we cannot use bitcoin maybe in the future also what i this hinders bitcoin the most is bitcoin it self we know that bitcoin is anonymous and many transaction can be illegally made everywhere .
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