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July 19, 2017, 10:40:51 AM |
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How would this go though? Are the limits only for cash, so they are still free to use their cards as they want to? Maybe that's the plan, wean people off cash? If they are banning the cash transactions, then they should make digital payments completely free. But that is not the case. They are charging very heavy fees on these online transactions, and on top of that they are taxing these transactions.
Ouch, now that's making it look like they simply just want to make a profit out of this.
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July 19, 2017, 11:59:47 AM |
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The European Commission is looking to introduce cash limits. Such measures could go into effect as soon as 2018. However, the vast majority of Europeans are not interested in this concept. In fact, 95% of respondent indicates they are opposed to a cash ceiling. This also means going cashless will not happen anytime soon.
When the European Commission allowed for feedback regarding the cash ceiling, most people knew the result already. Limiting the amount of cash value Europeans can spend at any given time is never a smart decision. Restricting payments at the EU level don’t benefit anyone. It’s bad for business, bad for consumers, and only beneficial to banks. After all, they want consumers and companies to become even more reliant on their services altogether.
Do you believe that the EU will force the limit despite the fact the a majority do not want it?
If people will appeal and rally in huge number then maybe just maybe the union will hear them out and will amend the proposal. I have not read the whole document pertaining the cash limit but maybe the cash limit can also be overcome as long as certain requirements can complied just like other countries. EU must just be looking at implementing Anti-money laundering law which is to protect the economy from unregulated transfer of funds out of the country. Aside from that the EU maybe wanted to regulate their currency and to make sure that it is not being used in illegal activities. The proposal is good really but it must have also some considerations to businessmen to have a win-win solution.
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July 19, 2017, 12:10:47 PM |
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Is offensive to the rights of people around the world. I do not believe that people will listen to the government. For me, the attempt to establish a cashless society equivalent to war of the government against the people, and I will not sit back and watch.
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July 19, 2017, 12:56:45 PM |
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the limit was there because of money laundering, i remember this, and they reduced it over year, because it was always more easy to counterfeit cash
they are also planning to eradicate cash all altogether so i doubt they will listen to this, the future is digital payment and probably bitcoin
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July 19, 2017, 02:03:34 PM |
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You're coming here not the other way around. Who gives a fuck about your benefits.
Feel free to stay at home.
You're very strange. Do you happen to work for Visa by any chance? Or are you the embittered owner of a corner shop who doesn't like counting out their cash? What emotional investment do you have in denying people financial privacy?
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July 19, 2017, 03:25:41 PM |
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Do you believe that the EU will force the limit despite the fact the a majority do not want it?
Oh they will, all in the name of preventing money laundering. Because no money laundering ever takes place in banks, and because people that have cash to launder care about transaction limits. Ah well. I still prefer the EU to the fragmented clusterfuck of states and currencies we had before (it's still a clusterfuck, but less fragmented at least). In Sweden we have no cash
Didn't know that Sweden already went cashless. Did it just happen out of convenience because people weren't using cash anyways, or was this more of a top-down regulatory decision?
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July 19, 2017, 04:57:04 PM |
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If they are banning the cash transactions, then they should make digital payments completely free. But that is not the case. They are charging very heavy fees on these online transactions, and on top of that they are taxing these transactions.
I have the same opinion and I believe that cash transactions will never be banned. They are the great ways to earn for government. No government would like people to make all transactions online. The banks will in complete loss then. I really feel the same about online transaction fees and taxes. For online transactions, bitcoins are the best options since there’s no tax on them for they are decentralized.
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July 19, 2017, 05:12:33 PM |
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I would also be opposed to this as a European citizen. That said, it's definitely not yet a sure thing that this measure will come through, though chances might be pretty high that it does. I also wouldn't have thought that the European cookie law wouldn't have been passed, but it did and now they're looking to end it again ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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July 20, 2017, 02:47:28 AM |
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The European Union and its economics is controlled by a much different set of circumstances and controlling entities than that of the United States. In the United States we can pretty much do what we please within a certain set of the stigmata. The United States government is always more interested in pleasing the powers-that-be that and pleasing the outside world.
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July 20, 2017, 10:57:18 AM |
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You're coming here not the other way around. Who gives a fuck about your benefits.
Feel free to stay at home.
You're very strange. Do you happen to work for Visa by any chance? Or are you the embittered owner of a corner shop who doesn't like counting out their cash? What emotional investment do you have in denying people financial privacy? Jammalan and gentlemand As a disinterested American (other than enjoying the few days we will have in Stockholm), I will check out the city as much as I can and report back with my impressions. I sure as hell do not want a cashless society, that's for damn sure. The single worst step to a 1984-style totalitarianism IMO. Besides, crooked government officials WILL have some kind of alternate system where THEIR transactions are not tracked, that's also for damn sure. Count on it.
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July 20, 2017, 11:06:42 AM |
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I do not like this idea at all, because after that they will control the costs with the crypto currency. The authorities want to make us slaves and monitor every financial transfer.
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July 20, 2017, 11:27:00 AM |
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... Further in resisting the fall of cash, I think I will pop by an ATM and take out 150 euro today, just in case a hacker takes the banks offline (Bank of America had an outage of online banking just yesterday, although to my knowledge it did not affect ATMs). We are touristing in Europe now, how inconvenient if the banks start having big outages... Maybe I'll pick up a small gold coin as well today, smile. "There is always someone around who will take [accept as payment] your gold." Even in Sweden. I'll ask around while there. I'll also look for BTC ATMs that are supposed to be there. I presume you have to use cash to get your BTC...? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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July 20, 2017, 01:07:43 PM |
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The European Union may not be able to Simply throw its arms up in the air and demand this in the man that however time will tell a different story. Lets wait and see.
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July 20, 2017, 03:30:28 PM |
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Those limits suggested, and applied already in some countries are high. It's like 50 000€ daily. Who send 50 000€ to someone. The average Joe who wakes up at 6.00 am daily and going to work, will maybe never once in his life make a bank transfer above 50k€. The debate to say if it's an effective method to fight illegal activity is, of course, another thing. If if you want to send over 50 000€ it doesn't mean you can't, you just need to call your bank to say you will have a transaction more important than usual I do not like this idea at all, because after that they will control the costs with the crypto currency. The authorities want to make us slaves and monitor every financial transfer.
Can you explain how this is related to "the costs with the cryptocurrency"
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