Can blockchain train neural networks?

[coyote2000]

Idea on how to train deep learning neural networks in blockchain and use that as a proof of work.

https://medium.com/@sergey_surkov/random-a-marriage-between-crypto-and-ai-1a3f4aa752ca

Brainstorming. If there is a better forum for this, please me know.

The gist is using gradient descent in deep learning as a proof of useful work. Somewhat technical read.

[NorrisK]

I like the idea to use the energy that is put into mining towards an actual use.

Like there were some coins that used the hashing power to calculate pi, or do protein folding, etc.

[coyote2000]

Yup, I was going from the deep learning angle because it's something I know about. Neural networks are already built for distributed training, and improvement in network as training progresses is very difficult to fake.

[tobi4255]

Is Gridcoin anything like what you have in mind?

Also, I have seen an ICO being shilled a lot recently of an AI token designed to fuel a platform of Data and Data Consumers, so you can make any data you possess available to the public, while earning some tokens for it.

I believe blockchain will go a long way in normalizing AI technology and also level the playing field.

Can't wait to see what the future holds in this field.

Regards,

[coyote2000]

I haven't heard of Gridcoin before; thank you. It looks like they use a proof of stake to run a blockchain and organize volunteers who donate their computing resources. This is admirable, and very useful. What was the name of the other platform?

(I need a name for my idea as well; let me call it NCoin).

NCoin is more commercial, and focused on neural networks.

It takes a lot of computing power to train a neural network; it takes a lot computing power to mine a block. NCoin is a way for a blockchain to have proof of work by training a neural network.

Here is why it makes sense:

1. Demand for deep learning goes up, so should the demand for computing resources for training deep learning networks. From this perspective, NCoin is more interesting than say Filecoin, because storage cost is negligible compared to computing cost in AI. This means there will be a lot of people willing to pay for training neural networks, and this allows to create liquidity for NCoin.

2. All those rigs people built for mining Bitcoin and other proof-of-work based currencies are perfectly usable for NCoin. So when Ethereum transitions to proof-of-stake, or Bitcoin reaches its limit, all these computing resources will become available.

[tobi4255]

I haven't heard of Gridcoin before; thank you. It looks like they use a proof of stake to run a blockchain and organize volunteers who donate their computing resources. This is admirable, and very useful. What was the name of the other platform?

(I need a name for my idea as well; let me call it NCoin).

NCoin is more commercial, and focused on neural networks.

It takes a lot of computing power to train a neural network; it takes a lot computing power to mine a block. NCoin is a way for a blockchain to have proof of work by training a neural network.

Here is why it makes sense:

1. Demand for deep learning goes up, so should the demand for computing resources for training deep learning networks. From this perspective, NCoin is more interesting than say Filecoin, because storage cost is negligible compared to computing cost in AI. This means there will be a lot of people willing to pay for training neural networks, and this allows to create liquidity for NCoin.

2. All those rigs people built for mining Bitcoin and other proof-of-work based currencies are perfectly usable for NCoin. So when Ethereum transitions to proof-of-stake, or Bitcoin reaches its limit, all these computing resources will become available.

Sounds super interesting! AI always excites me

Do you have the necessary skills to lead a project of this kind, or would you be the angel investor hiring a team? A proper crypto-currency demands immense amounts of work.. Especially one designed around AI will be intensive coding i imagine.

The AI website i mentioned was https://synapse.ai/ , i came across the signature campaign

Sounds like you wanna go in a different direction than them, though. ;-)

Wish i had the technical competence to discuss the specifics of your Ncoin (NC)? N for Neural right?

Regards,

[coyote2000]

I certainly have some technical skills. I used to work in Google search ranking, I built some augment reality technology and AI for ecommerce, and I currently work on https://sourcerer.io where we want computers to understand what program code is about. I don't have crypto background though, at least not yet And yes, building ncoin would be a lot of work.

This ncoin idea started as a conversation inside sourcerer, because everyone is fascinated with deep learning, so somebody asked a question "can we merge crypto and ai"? Didn't make sense at first, but then it somehow did.

N is for neural, that's right. It was the first thing that came to my mind