[Newbie Protection] Show untrusted feedback by default

[silvester4]

Hey community,

i was wondering if anyone already was complaining about a (to my mind absolutely useless) feature here.


When registering a new account, you will not be able to see "untrusted feedback".

So basically, new users are only able to see feddbacks from DT members! Since most of the given feedback comes from "normal" members here, this is a point that helps scammers a lot! People tend to stick to obvious signs - like red paint! I think no Newbie should be blamed for not knowing this; older members should help them overcoming this risk!

Here is how to change this setting:

Code:

Go to Profile -> Forum Profile Information -> Scroll down -> Mark "Show untrusted feedback by default" -> Change Profile!

Please consider adding this information to the stickies for newbies OR (even better) cancel this Feature and ALWAYS show the untrusted feedback by default! This should really help keeping scammers out, since a lot of them only have untrusted feedback.

A poll has been added in hope of great participation from you all!

[SFR10]

OR (even better) cancel this Feature and ALWAYS show the untrusted feedback by default!

Then what will be the point of having DT1/2 members?

This should really help keeping scammers out, since a lot of them only have untrusted feedback.

That helps them more, instead of destroying their chances of scamming someone. Nothing will stop them from creating a false image, that makes them to appear trustworthy to "Newbies" (regarding your suggestion).
Bad suggestion.

[AdolfinWolf]

Please consider adding this information to the stickies for newbies OR (even better) cancel this Feature and ALWAYS show the untrusted feedback by default! This should really help keeping scammers out, since a lot of them only have untrusted feedback.

That really doesn't sound like a good idea with the amount of trolls and butthurt people this forum has.

Take a look at my feedback for example. 9 untrusted negatives, and 1 positive one. This would make my feedback -99 or something ( not entirely sure how the trust system calculates that..?) While i've never scammed anyone.

What i'm saying is that there's going to be a lot of false positive cases with the system change you are proposing. Inaccurate ratings or revenge ratings are extremely common.

[silvester4]

OR (even better) cancel this Feature and ALWAYS show the untrusted feedback by default!

Then what will be the point of having DT1/2 members?

DT1/2 Member should still remain there, and of course their rating should still be highlighted or moved to the top of the trustpage.
Additionally, the "red flag" should still only apply if a DT1/2 Member posted a feedback.

This should really help keeping scammers out, since a lot of them only have untrusted feedback.

That helps them more, instead of destroying their chances of scamming someone. Nothing will stop them from creating a false image, that makes them to appear trustworthy to "Newbies" (regarding your suggestion).
Bad suggestion.

Please explain why you are assuming this would help them more (did i miss something?).

I read a lot of scam accusations where the victim claimed to "not have seen the bad feedback by others". Any feedback is better than no feedback.

[TheQuin]

Please explain why you are assuming this would help them more (did i miss something?).

They would just use alt accounts to leave lots of positive feedback to make themselves look trustworthy.

[silvester4]

Please explain why you are assuming this would help them more (did i miss something?).

They would just use alt accounts to leave lots of positive feedback to make themselves look trustworthy.

That's true, but

a) they can do it today as well
b) as long as they don't have an alt that's DT1/2 it's still untrusted.

Just to be clear: my main point is the visibility of untrusted feedback. I don't want to change anything on default trust or the difference of untrusted / trusted.

Edit: I think i will collect some of the scam accusations where this problem was a big factor and post them for reference.

[TheQuin]

Please explain why you are assuming this would help them more (did i miss something?).

They would just use alt accounts to leave lots of positive feedback to make themselves look trustworthy.

That's true, but

a) they can do it today as well
b) as long as they don't have an alt that's DT1/2 it's still untrusted.

Just to be clear: my main point is the visibility of untrusted feedback. I don't want to change anything on default trust or the difference of untrusted / trusted.

Edit: I think i will collect some of the scam accusations where this problem was a big factor and post them for reference.

You're missing the whole point of there being a distinction between trusted and untrusted feedback. The untrusted feedback is hidden by default because it is just as likely left by an alt if positive or as @AdolfinWolf pointed out be retaliatory if negative. You will be able to collect examples of correct scam accusations, but for every 1 you find there will be at least 10 false feedbacks. That will cause more confusion and put more people in danger of being scammed than it will save.