bitcoin island bootcamp *scam*

[franky1]

well thats why this thread is called a scam accusation and not a scam verified thread.

informing others that someone has things to hide atleast highlights a person so that people can then do proper checks instead o just taking the information given at face value.

this thread is for warning people of potential threats.. hense the word accusation.

if infact it was verified as a scam. which would only happen AFTER the fact. the person scamming would (well used to) get a scammer tag or removed from the forum.

its about making people aware that certain people asking for money upfront are not as upfront about themselves..

prevention is better then cure and warning people that this is a risk is the whole point.

now imagine this scenario:
"great offer for 300BTC a ASIC miner that will revolutionise bitcoin. to find out more please pay 3BTC and give me all of your personal details so i can write up a legally binding NDA. before you pay me 3BTC, have given me your details and attended a meeting i will not tell you anything about my experience, knowledge, personal details or the details of the technology. i will not respond to questions regarding my personal informationas that is irrelevant. if you want to get answers pay 3BTC"

would you hand over $300(3BTC) without asking a single question? just to be informed about this great offer

[benjamindees]

well thats why this thread is called a scam accusation and not a scam verified thread.

So, are you going to attempt to substantiate any of your claims, or just continue to use this thread as leverage to negotiate for an investment deal that doesn't actually exist?

obviously you don't realise that im a investor that could actually buy an island outright and in full..

Should we go ahead and change this to a "scam accusation debunked" thread?

[TomUnderSea]

I think "pending" would be accurate.

[WuLabsWuTecH]

now imagine this scenario:
"great offer for 300BTC a ASIC miner that will revolutionise bitcoin. to find out more please pay 3BTC and give me all of your personal details so i can write up a legally binding NDA. before you pay me 3BTC, have given me your details and attended a meeting i will not tell you anything about my experience, knowledge, personal details or the details of the technology. i will not respond to questions regarding my personal informationas that is irrelevant. if you want to get answers pay 3BTC"

would you hand over $300(3BTC) without asking a single question? just to be informed about this great offer

It depends.  If BFL was the one running the offer, then hell no!  Their reputation is terrible when it comes to things like this.  But if it's from a friends company, or someone who I know about and trust, then yes, I might decide to pay the money to get first in on the opportunity.

I don't know who benjaminedees is, I've never dealt with him, and as such, I would not take his offer.  But that's not to say that there are plenty of people who do know him and trust him and it should be their prerogative to take their offer.

And I agree, this is a scam accusation thread, and I've definitely seen worse attempts at accusations (the one against John K comes to mind) and you have every right to accuse anyone of a scam.  But I think that at this point, we don't have enough evidence to elevate this to the level of scamming quite yet.

[benjamindees]

Let's all just take a minute to review Frank's position.

he is scamming the community. by asking the community for funds!

Frank is an investor.  He has lots of money.  Enough to "buy an island outright" even.

Therefore, anyone who attempts to side-step Frank's investment services is a scammer, ipso facto.

[franky1]

Let's all just take a minute to review Frank's position.

he is scamming the community. by asking the community for funds!

Frank is an investor.  He has lots of money.  Enough to "buy an island outright" even.

Therefore, anyone who attempts to side-step Frank's investment services is a scammer, ipso facto.

the quote above if you included the whole context is about YOU doing this to THE COMMUNITY. i was emphasising in that post that it was not a personal attack between you and me, but about helping the community.

i dont wish to be involved with you. and i do not attempt to do this to wager a better deal with you either. i do this as you do not have a product to sell, have not shown any proof of your knowledge or experience in undertaking a future project in this area, so it would be like throwing money into a burning fire.

i do not mind that you keep your secret technologies under NDA. but keeping basic due diligence information such as who YOU are is a red flag to anyone in the community.

especially since people in 2012 asked those exact same questions about YOU and you locked the thread. now you wish to only reveal YOUR personal info for a 3BTC fee. and the requirement of an NDA, which requires the payee's to reveal their personal info just to sign a NDA.

that to me sounds ridiculous.

all it will take to quash this accusation is the revealing of your personal information (due dilegence) no one is asking for the business secrets

[benjamindees]

all it will take to quash this accusation is the revealing of your personal information (due dilegence) no one is asking for the business secrets

Frank, this is just becoming repetitive.  I have made it clear from my first response to you that my personal information is readily available.

Frank, obviously I don't have any control over the trolls on this forum.  But if you can use your internet detective skills to find my number, you're welcome to call me and we'll talk about it.

You know who I am.  This is my real name.  My address and phone number can be easily found.  This community knows a lot more about me than any of us know about you.

At this point, you are obviously not acting in good faith.  You haven't substantiated a single one of your claims.  I don't feel obligated to answer any more of your questions.

[franky1]

you say your info is readily available.. but at request of this readily available information, you decline to pass over such readily available information

copied from his bitcoin island self modded thread before he deleted it

he does not want investors. because that involves repaying them at some point.

he wants "contributors" .. in otherwords.. donators to just hand him 300BTC each ($30,000)
where on this planet would anyone hand over $30k free and clear to someone that refuses to reveal their identification.

and here is the end bit. what the contributors get in return

Incentive - Contributors receive proportional discounts on rentals
More Incentive - Contributors of 100 BTC or more receive VIP invitation to inaugural beach bash
http://bitcoinisland.org/

so he wants to be the land owner, and rent property out.

the main question everyone has. what makes him so sure that he is the right guy to take other peoples money, become the land owner and lead the project. to only offer contributors a party invitation and discounts. the contributors should be GIVEN a allotment of land which is valued at the percentage of funds put into the project vs land size of island.

it was also mentioned in his 2012 effort that if the 100,000BTC target was not reached he would refund the contributors
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82060.msg911455#msg911455

he then locked the thread may 21st 2012 knowing that no rich 'contributor' would be in their right mind to just give him $30k with no substantial return/perks.

No refund has been received back to the 2012 contributors even though that campaign failed.
http://blockchain.info/address/1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y