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Author Topic: 2013-07-02 BitcoinFoundation.org - Response to CA DFI Warning Letter  (Read 6176 times)
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July 03, 2013, 03:18:30 PM
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Not to be too cynical, but I wonder if this was planned...

Granted California leads the way for the US, I'm curious if all the same arguments hold up in Ohio, or any other state for that matter.

Is this simply a defense for the California law, or also the FINCEN guidance?

Either way, awesome job Foundation!
The FinCEN is guidance on enforcement and not basic law, and not adjudicated or even well clarified either.
So this response is based on California law.

"The same rationale that applied to the sale of a peso should prevail under the California statute with regard to the sale of a bitcoin."
The California law makes different distinctions from Federal law.
Federal distinguishes also between current money of a foreign nation and other payment instruments.  

If CA does issue a concurring opinion letter, that would be the epic win.

"If CA does issue a concurring opinion letter, that would be the epic win."

So FINCEN guidance is for enforcement of federal laws?  

Would the epic win be the same as Washington legalizing pot?  It's legal at the state level, but illegal at the federal level?  

Even though I understand you're saying it's not an "illegal" at the federal level, but merely interpreted to be illegal without registration based on FINCEN guidance which isn't exactly "illegal" but rather not congruent with their interpretation of existing rules which they (FINCEN?) would be required to enforce.

So the thoughts would be Cali says it's cool with this interpretation of Cali law, and then someone at the federal level says yeah, we think the same is a good interpretation of federal law/regulation, and then FINCEN issues guidance saying, yeah, I guess that's cool, so no registration necessary?

So a three step process?
There's a lot more steps in the journey.
Banking is regulated by states, there are 50 + some state-like geographies.
When it gets into inter-state issues, the federal jurisdiction gets more power.
The federal is broken into districts, the districts do not always agree.
If it is a constitutional matter, it can go to SCOTUS (supreme court of the US).

California is not a horrible jurisdiction if we were doing forum shopping.
NY is more banking centric, and California does things right sometimes, like this today:
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/california-man-found-not-guilty-in-chalk-vandalsim-case-at-bank-of-america-branches


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July 03, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
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so what does Patrick Murck do except try to bring more regulation to Bitcoin?

perhaps Dax Jensen should be TBF's head attorney?
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