Posters that you think are lame: Are they bulls or bears?

[RationalSpeculator]

People that annoy me are those that dismiss and ignore my arguments and cost a fortune when following them:

1. Permabulls: they are always bullish, when prices are relatively low but also when prices are relatively high. Try to explain them that you just lost -50% of your investment in bitcoins now that price dropped from $200 to below $100 and see how they respond ... Likely you will get no understanding or sympathy from them for your loss. Instead they will deny reality 'you didn't really lose because ...' / remind you of past success 'I'm still up in total', and/or level up 'buy more!'. If bitcoin fails you will lose all your hard earned money with their strategy but if bitcoin succeeds they will become rich so as long as you always follow them, in ups and downs, and always hold and buy more it will likely work out but it will not be easy. Since their strategy will lead to devastating losses from time to time, and they will deny this reality, it is tempting to let go of them once a bear market is in full force making you an easy victim to:

2. Pigs: those that are bullish when prices are relatively high and bearish when prices are relatively low. Yes, you are one of them if you were bullish around $200 and bearish now that price is below $100! Pigs get slaughtered so following them is a recipe for disaster.

3. Trolls: Those that try to influence the market by spamming the board with their bullish/bearish outlook.


Note that some of them are not in denial and recognize they are acting like permabulls, pigs or trolls. I like those and feel a desire to help them. It's those that are in denial or straight out lie about their many errors that irritate me.

That being said this is the most exciting board I have ever attended. I find many interesting and diverse opinions here from rational and kind people with sometimes even strong economic and investment backgrounds. Regularly I read someone's whole post history.

Is there a way to bookmark a certain user via the forum?

[MAbtc]

2. Pigs: those that are bullish when prices are relatively high and bearish when prices are relatively low. Yes, you are one of them if you were bullish around $200 and bearish now that price is below $100! Pigs get slaughtered so following them is a recipe for disaster.

Could you elaborate on the bolded? What analysis are you using to determine that those who think bitcoin is overvalued anywhere below $100 are wrong... let alone pigs? $100-200 seems like a very arbitrary range -- I see no basis for it.

[RationalSpeculator]

2. Pigs: those that are bullish when prices are relatively high and bearish when prices are relatively low. Yes, you are one of them if you were bullish around $200 and bearish now that price is below $100! Pigs get slaughtered so following them is a recipe for disaster.

Could you elaborate on the bolded? What analysis are you using to determine that those who think bitcoin is overvalued anywhere below $100 are wrong... let alone pigs? $100-200 seems like a very arbitrary range -- I see no basis for it.

I don't think people that are bearish today are Pigs. I'm bearish myself today but do not consider myself a pig because I was even more bearish when price was around $200, and shared this also with the forum. I helped people lock in profits whereas pigs worked against people locking in profits when it mattered most.

(The numbers $200 and $100 are indeed arbitrarily chosen to give an example of a high price and considerably lower price.)

[MonadTran]

Here on speculation forum, a couple of most intelligent people have recently been bears.
The most devoted and intelligent long-term bulls are not here, they are out there doing stuff, coding, promoting, etc.
What has irritates me particularly are the guys that say, like, "it will go down tomorrow, you moron!", or, "you stupid bear, sell now and regret forever!"

[RationalSpeculator]

Here on speculation forum, a couple of most intelligent people have recently been bears.
The most devoted and intelligent long-term bulls are not here, they are out there doing stuff, coding, promoting, etc.
What has irritates me particularly are the guys that say, like, "it will go down tomorrow, you moron!", or, "you stupid bear, sell now and regret forever!"

I wouldn't call someone who has been a bull the whole way down from $266 to $90 and only now turned a bear 'most intelligent'. Maybe they are intelligent but not on the speculation front in my book as they just lost more than -50% of their investment.

For some reason the ones that irritate you do not bother me that much. Their position is obviously undeveloped, I don't even finish reading their sentence. It's the ones that write more intelligently that are a danger to my finances: the high ranked permabulls and pigs.

[bitcon]

anyone who says theyre a perma bull is lying. anyone who says they are a perma bear is a liar.   nothing goes up forever.  nothing goes down forever.  the market dictates if you're feeling bullish/bearish. if you have enough fiat or btc to swing the market, youre not a bull or a bear ; youre a manipulator.

[RyNinDaCleM]

anyone who says theyre a perma bull is lying. anyone who says they are a perma bear is a liar.   nothing goes up forever.  nothing goes down forever.  the market dictates if you're feeling bullish/bearish. if you have enough fiat or btc to swing the market, youre not a bull or a bear ; youre a manipulator.

I could name a few names on the perma Bull side (probably Bears too), but due to this:

Please do not name names. Everyone has to start somewhere on the learning curve. The point of this is strictly for market insight.

I won't

[bitcon]

i dont understand how this post has anything to do with speculation

[Zangelbert Bingledack]

It's a stab at a possibly useful indicator.

[Adrian-x]

I dont even know what bears are doing in bitcoin community. They are riding on the other backs to earn free money because not only they are not helping to grow bitcoin economy but they are spreading fud around so they direction is right. If they dont believe in bitcoin and think its price is too high and will crash for sure then wtf they are doing here at all.

We are here to extract dollars out of this scheme. That's why it's called the great dollar extraction.
For each successful trade I make there has to be some bull putting money into the system to compensate or the price goes down a bit.

What also has to be strictly distinguished if you want the price to go in a particular direction or if you think it is going to. What you describe is somebody who wants the price to go down, which isn't necessarily bearish.
Bearish is if you think the price will go down, what you want to happen isn't relevant.

So is your general tone an excretion of opinion, or manipulation?