Documenting a Purchase between user jenia1 and MrWan for 2 AntMiner S9 Units

[DecadentMining]

Hmmmmm...Yah seems to be like the whole community is in disarray of trust.  Maybe there should be a protocol that the moderators of this sub forum should police.  I think decadentmining has a point of the pics and documented process of a transaction.

1) Prior to any transaction the seller who posts needs to put a picture up with item and forum name handle.  If pics aren't put up with name then post should be taken off by the moderators.
2) Within the same thread some way of documenting money sent from buyer and shipment label with posted date.
3) When buyer receives the item, they can take a picture with name and also post on the same thread to complete the transaction.

Not sure if this will a sure shot way but at least there's a trail and its a little safer?

Thoughts?

I completely agree. I think that would be exactly what would make this sub-forum work. A little trust, a little proof, a lot of win.

I've used Philipma1957 for escrow numerous times with no issues.

This thread is utterly useless.

The thread isn't useless. While it may not help OP with issues, if he runs into them...it does help the rest of us understand that there is a much larger issue at play here. And it needs to be addressed. I don't want to go so far as calling people cowardly...because I just got here....but, cowards. That's the only word for people who start a forum, make it into something like this, and then have zero interest in protecting its user base. Especially when this particular sub-forum could be like a gold mine for those individual miners who just want 1 or 2 miners. This could be the one-stop shop for those people, and those people are going up BIG TIME! It's not just mining operations now, it's joe shmoe at home who wants to make some extra cash because his cost of electricity is cheap or free. Those are the people this sub-forum seems to be catering to, and yet...there's absolutely no visible desire by the leaders of this forum to do anything to help promote and instill trust and confidence in the buying process. That is odd, for any forum...and specifically one dealing in items that are strictly related to making money.

[isoneguy]

Hmmmmm...Yah seems to be like the whole community is in disarray of trust.  Maybe there should be a protocol that the moderators of this sub forum should police.  I think decadentmining has a point of the pics and documented process of a transaction.

1) Prior to any transaction the seller who posts needs to put a picture up with item and forum name handle.  If pics aren't put up with name then post should be taken off by the moderators.
2) Within the same thread some way of documenting money sent from buyer and shipment label with posted date.
3) When buyer receives the item, they can take a picture with name and also post on the same thread to complete the transaction.

Not sure if this will a sure shot way but at least there's a trail and its a little safer?

Thoughts?

I completely agree. I think that would be exactly what would make this sub-forum work. A little trust, a little proof, a lot of win.

I've used Philipma1957 for escrow numerous times with no issues.

This thread is utterly useless.

The thread isn't useless. While it may not help OP with issues, if he runs into them...it does help the rest of us understand that there is a much larger issue at play here. And it needs to be addressed. I don't want to go so far as calling people cowardly...because I just got here....but, cowards. That's the only word for people who start a forum, make it into something like this, and then have zero interest in protecting its user base. Especially when this particular sub-forum could be like a gold mine for those individual miners who just want 1 or 2 miners. This could be the one-stop shop for those people, and those people are going up BIG TIME! It's not just mining operations now, it's joe shmoe at home who wants to make some extra cash because his cost of electricity is cheap or free. Those are the people this sub-forum seems to be catering to, and yet...there's absolutely no visible desire by the leaders of this forum to do anything to help promote and instill trust and confidence in the buying process. That is odd, for any forum...and specifically one dealing in items that are strictly related to making money.

there's only what, 2 or 3 accounts that trade here often that are trustworthy...the rest are noob/shill accounts.

I think that if a seller hasn't made a trade within the past 30 days or so then you probably should doubt their trustworthiness irrelevant to what their rating is.

We both know you're just account farming as usual though...

[aliashraf]

Well, glad to see guys are discussing here. Obviously there is a problem with trading in this forum and we need some sort of a solution, at least this is what all of the participants in this discussion would confirm if asked. Thanks to op's move who published his trade agreement here I have this:

A Trading Framework Proposal

1- This forum needs a more sophisticated trust network support if possible, time sensitivity and more user friendly ui including specialized visualisation facilities should be added. Some enhancements in calculating and assigning points and positions to members,  may be necessary too.

2- Instead of escrows, we need dispute resolution arbitrators who come to scene after a trade has reached a dead end and controversay situation. The arbitrator may be granted access to some private data of the participants and his only job is to announce her/his judgement based on the evidence. It will be up to the traders to follow this judgement or not, but the the community will be informed

3- Any trade that is to be covered by such a trust/arbitration mechanism should be completely and transparently put in the public domain other with the exception of names, addresses, bank account numbers and so on.

4- For trades to be covered by this social network, at least one of the participants should have enough 'trust' points dependent on the total volume of the trade.

I know, it is not enough but I hope other members would contribute and improve it.

[Tekno2020]

I appreciate this thread and agree that... if the trust on this sub-forum is so low,,,, then why does the forum really even exist?  When every participant (both buyer & seller) is automatically assumed to be a scammer.  I for one am simply trying to learn how to use the board, learn, possibly gain some insight and just maybe a good deal.   I was sort of shocked to see that my first message posted on BCT responding to a WTS ad for used antminers,,, my message was flagged with a "WARNING,,,blah blah blah SCAMMER" alert.  ??!?   I mean wtf.  There has to be a better way.

This is only my second post, so what do I know.   Just trying to make sure I don't get screwed if I ever buy/sell something here.

[jenia1]

Nice to see where this thread went since I was away for the Holidays.


All I way trying to do is secure a deal for a person who would have had to wait 2 weeks until he got enough funds on his coinbase account

P.S our deal didn't go through since I went out of stock and Didn't have anything left to sell to the buyer.
I didn't even bother thus to give him any bank details for the transfer.

Either way, I am back and might have some other interesting stuff going on soon. P.S working on couple of websites currently

Oh yes, and I  would kindly ask Donos and  isoneguy to remove the negative feedback they gave me most likely due to this thread, suspecting its legitimacy.