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Author Topic: [2018-1-17] To Understand Bitcoin, I Studied Karl Marx  (Read 115 times)
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January 17, 2018, 12:10:28 PM
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Tom Goldenberg is chief technology officer at Commandiv, a combined stock and crypto trading platform providing investors with automated trade recommendations and rebalancing tools.

To hear all of the bluster and hype about bitcoin and blockchain these days, you would think that it will solve all of our modern world problems.

Web 3.0 is coming  – a new digital age. No industry will avoid disruption, whether healthcare, government, finance or retail.

Yet this may be, to quote the author Antonio Garcia Martinez:

"The monumental hubris of****uming that the cure for our social ills lies in some as-yet uninvented future, rather than some forgotten past."

There is much that we can learn from history  –  as much as what we can discover through new technologies.

That's why I delved into Marxism to understand more about what bitcoin is really about.

Reading Satoshi's white paper
I sat down and read Satoshi Nakamoto’s original white paper on bitcoin last month, and I must say that my mind was truly blown. It is a remarkable work.

Yet I had several unanswered questions:

What events influenced the ideas behind bitcoin?
Why would the author choose to be anonymous?
Is bitcoin really what Satoshi says it is? Is it what he (or she, or they) meant it to be?
As I reflected on these questions, I arrived at an insight that I believe applies to both Satoshi and Marx:

"Genius is creative, but not predictive."

That is, both Marx and Satoshi articulated a reasoned, well-thought-out vision of the future. But neither had the power to predict how their ideas would influence others or be implemented. And neither could control their own creations.

Genius is often reactionary
Marx's ideas on communism and economics were influenced by his environment. It was that same environment that affected the propagation of his ideas – a fear of industrialization ;  that new technology would render laborers useless.

That's ironic, because it also describes our current environment, with the rise of artificial intelligence.

The term "Luddite" refers to an actual group of the time that was against new technology. These changes, and the huge inequalities between the industrialists and the workers, prompted Marx to criticize capitalism heavily and propose a communal system instead.

Bitcoin is also a product of its environment. The Satoshi white paper was first published in 2008, shortly after the 2007 recession. That event caused an erosion of public trust in financial institutions that, to this day, is still in disrepair. Thus, the idea to bypass institutions was born.

Removing centralization
Marx and Satoshi approached their respective problems in a somewhat similar way. Marx advocated for a stateless system, where the worker controlled the means of production. Private property would be abandoned for the notion of communal property, and the state would "wither away," in the phrasing of Marx's frequent co-author Friedrich Engels.

Obviously, this withering did not happen in the countries where communists took over the state – the opposite happened, with horrific results.

Satoshi sought to remove financial intermediaries  –  the banks and credit card companies that controlled the world's flow of value. Instead, a peer-to-peer network would be established, with no central authority. The network would be carefully crafted so that no single actor could influence transactions wrongfully.

Devil in the details
As brilliant as the idea for bitcoin may be, its reality today is inarguably different from what Satoshi envisioned. In the white paper, bitcoin is described as follows:

"A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution."

While this is not necessarily wrong, this is not how bitcoin is primarily used today.

Satoshi failed to predict bitcoin's difficulty scaling to billions of transactions. The fees for buying and selling bitcoin, as well as the inability of the network to quickly process transactions, have changed its very nature. It is now used less as a payment method, and more as a store of digital wealth.

Bitcoin's main use cases today are as a speculative instrument (many traders are enticed by the large price swings) and as a "digital gold." That's not how Satoshi originally envisioned its adoption.

Marx, as noted above, similarly failed to anticipate how his own ideology could be used to manipulate and exploit populations. The idea of a stateless economy became, in practice, totalitarianism. Populists who claimed to have the workers' best interests at heart would succumb to the temptation of power.

Their legacies
Yet, both bitcoin and Marxist thought continue to live on, in adapted forms.

Marxism influenced several labor movements in the United States, and Marx's critiques of capitalism are still echoed by both economists and grassroots movements. Further, several nations have adopted social democracies promoting a more communal form of capitalism.

As for bitcoin, its future is playing out in front of us now. It may not be the final solution (a phrase with its own historical baggage) for peer-to-peer payments. But as a digital commodity, it has revolutionized the way people store wealth.

Marx and Satoshi were both great minds, and their creations will continue to influence coming generations. That does not mean that they knew or could control how those ideas would spawn to life. We can honor their gifts, while acknowledging that they do not have the full, perfect answer.

https://www.coindesk.com/understand-bitcoin-studied-karl-marx/
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January 17, 2018, 12:46:44 PM
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Satoshi was very smart. Not perfect, but perhaps even that is to his credit.


But Marx was an I D I O T


  • Everyone owns their labour and their working infrastructure
  • No-one owns anything
  • Everyone owns everything equally

These were the tenets of Marxism, and GEE, WHAT A BIG SURPRISE that those perfect contradictions created a massive vacuum into which stepped state ownership of everything and everyone.

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"Marx was a product of his environment"

Yeah, he lived in a fancy house in London with Engels, who subsidised Marx to sit around writing all his life. Engels was an industrialist if I remember rightly, lol. Not much of a surprise that Marx's ideology was a macrocosm mirroring his own life, strange how he was drawn to the conception of an ideology that empowered arrogant idiots to sit around writing theories that didn't work using money taken from working class people.


Marx and Satoshi: only their disruptive nature is comparable. Marx failed more or less straight away. Satoshi succeeded, more or less straight away.

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January 17, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Last edit: January 17, 2018, 06:49:00 PM by cr1776
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Marx wasn't just an idiot, he was an evil, immoral idiot.

Claiming that you have the *right* to someone else's life (e.g. the products of it) is an evil and immoral philosophy.  Anyone who follows Marx or any of the totalitarian systems that derive from there imports the evil and immorality of his writings.  

Note I don't say "philosophy" because his writings are writings and not a reasoned or well-thought out philosophy, contrary to the assertion in the article.  His writings indicated a depraved mind based on the unprincipled, vile and unconscionable thought that one person has the right to enslave another.
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January 17, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
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It's really wrong to compare Marxism with Bitcoin, because Marxism has failed each time it was tried, which happened across many countries and many years, but Bitcoin is still in its early days and developers are very active - it's too early to say that it is doomed to be only "digital gold". Some things haven't unfolded like Satoshi envisioned, but ultimately Satoshi wanted Bitcoin's development to be driven by community consensus, and this is exactly what we have now.
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