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February 09, 2018, 11:42:03 PM
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I have only 2 questions :why is there no main exchanges  to list DeepOnion ? why its 24 hours volume is so low ?
There 2 questions proves how is DeepOnion like .

Great points and something that maybe I should have addressed in the article but I will take some time to answer here

Why no major exchanges listed DeepOnion yet?
DeepOnion is listed on KuCoin and Cryptopia as the current top exchanges. The reason why Bittrex and Binance haven't listed the coin is because DeepOnion isn't allowed to be listed until after the AirDrop is finished, which will be in about 10 weeks. After the AirDrop the developers will apply to be added to the major exchanges: Bittrex, Binance, Poloniex and Bitfinex. I am not sure if DeepOnion will be added to all of these exchanges since I have heard that having an anonymous development team might be a hindrance.

Why is the 24H volume so low
This is hard to approach since what do you consider a low 24H volume? The 24H volume is now around 2-300K USD and it topped out at 3-4M USD at the ATH. The market cap of the coin is around 40-50M currently. If we just randomly look at some coins in that area: CloakCoin, Hive and Decision token the 24H volume is very similar. CloackCoin and Decision token are slightly higher at 3-400k USD but I would say the difference just depends on popularity at the time. As for CloackCoin it is already listed on Bittrex which helps drive the volume a little higher.

I think that the volume is not overly low for a 40M market cap coin that has yet to be listed to Binance or Bittrex but please elaborate on your question and I will have a deeper look.

And there is another point: even though volumes are low, the price has managed to rise quite a lot from the beginning. This means very few people are selling. If volume would be higher, prices would most likely skyrocket. So it is a quite solid coin all things considered.

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February 09, 2018, 11:47:51 PM
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So what's so special about running over tor? Can't you do this with bitcoin? And hasn't it already been discovered tor users tx's can be traced?
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February 09, 2018, 11:53:18 PM
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It has been a little over a month since I did "An 'unbiased' coin review of DeepOnion". I have had some request to follow this up and also some questions raised that I would like to answer:

  • Do my arguments still stand up?
  • Do I still see DeepOnion as a good investment?

So welcome to "DeepOnoin: An "unbiased" Review, Part 2". If you haven't read the original article you can find it as a Steemit Article, BitCoinTalk Thread or as a DeepOnion Thread. To prevent this article from becoming unbearably long I will assume that you are already familiar with the topics brought up in Part 1. If not, I would suggest having a look in one of the links and get back here when you are all caught up.

For those that just need a short reminder:
“DeepOnion  is a crypto currency that is natively integrated into the TOR network and ensures anonymity of the users by hiding their IP address to the other nodes. It is a combined PoW and PoS coin with most of the coins being "pre-mined" and distributed through AirDrops and Bounty campaigns”


New and Previous Questions on the DeepOnion Project

In the last article I brought up some points that people had lifted in regards to why they (at the time) avoided to invest in DeepOnion:

  • The development team is anonymous
  • The technology isn’t unique
  • There is no whitepaper

Except to follow up on my conclusions on these points I would like to raise another two points, that people have raised to me, which made them hesitant to invest in DeepOnion

  • DeepOnion isn’t fully secure since it is integrated to an old version of TOR
  • TOR integrated cryptocurrencies are not always a possibility since some countries are blocking access to TOR

Anonymous Development Team

I will mention that the DeepOnion team is still anonymous and I don’t see that changing. This is something that should be taken into account as a potential risk before deciding to invest.
DeepOnion has announced that at least two new developers have joined the team in the last month and work is ongoing.

To remind the readers, there are ways to validate the work/progress of a team, even if they are anonymous, and it is something that I already covered in the last article and won’t rehash what has already been said. If you want to find out more I suggest you check out the previous article.


The technology isn’t unique and there is no Whitepaper

I am combining these bullet points to one since the major change for DeepOnion since the last article is that they have released their Whitepaper. I mentioned that the release was imminent and “lo-and-behold” a week later it was available for the public.

If you haven’t read it I certainly recommend you do. It is a fairly easy read and clearly shows that DeepOnion is very open and honest with the parts of the technology that isn’t unique and that by "using existing industry-leading standards, within cryptography and network security, provide security on multiple levels".

The “industry-standards” (TOR, Zero Knowledge, CoinJoin + Multi sig -> DeepSend) isn’t anything unique but the multi-layered approach chosen by Deeponion, by combining these, is very much unique and interesting.


I think the whitepaper proves exactly the point I wanted to make in Part 1. “Is not the whole greater than the sum of its parts?”

The “whole” that DeepOnion is trying to create is something unique, a privacy platform where DeepOnion Native Apps can be developed and used safely, securely and completely anonymous: DeepVault, WooCommerce plug-in, Mobile Wallets and more…

Is DeepOnion really secured via TOR and what about blocked regions?

In ANN threads and in comments I have read some input detailing that the DeepOnion wallet use an old version of TOR and is therefore not fully secure. Some also noted that even if a TOR update occurs not everyone will be able to benefit since TOR traffic is blocked in certain regions/countries. These were actually legitimate concerns that I hadn’t considered in my first review and that I started to look into. As it turns out it seems that the DeepOnion development team beat me to the punch, so-to-say.

  • This week (2018-29-01) DeepOnion launched a new Desktop Wallet which is natively integrated into the latest TOR upgrade (0.3.3.0) and also supports OBFS4

The integration of OBFS4 into the latest DeepOnion wallet makes it possible for people, even in blocked regions, to use the TOR network. This is because OBFS4 obfuscates the message protocol details so that all traffic looks random and it can’t be identified as TOR traffic. This will allow apps to connect to TOR from anywhere.

In answer to this I will begin by starting off to quote the DeepOnion whitepaper:

“We incorporate the latest privacy standards into our technology stack, such as the inclusion of the latest TOR protocol to ensure that our community members remain secure and anonymous in all aspects of their finances”


I think everything in this section goes back to something I brought up in the previous article: How to evaluate an anonymous team?. Two of the points I covered were:

  • How well does the coin adhere to the roadmap?
  • What is the status of the features that are already launched?

In my opinion this last month gives a strong indication that the DeepOnion team is very much active and listening to the inputs of the community. And also that they are working to live up to the roadmap and promises in the whitepaper.

Note: If you think the TOR update will involve downloading a new wallet every time TOR makes an updates, this is currently not in the plan. The plan is to keep the integration to the current version, unless any specific need for another update is discovered, so that won’t be a cause for continuous wallet updates.

If you want to find out more about the DeepOnion wallet update feel free to check out this thread in the DeepOnion forum: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/introducing-deeponion-1-5-0-wallet-for-windows-integrated-with-obfs4.27626/.
If you want to find out more about what OBFS4 is and how to set it up I found this thread on the Deeponion forum: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/deeponion-has-integrated-with-obfs4.28106/

Price Movement

As a final topic I would like to look on the price movement of DeepOnion in the last month and what a ride that have been. At the time, when I wrote Part 1, DeepOnion price was at: $3/ONION (BTC = $14 000). Since then it soared up to a staggering $20/ONION, as ATH, and has since experienced a correction down to $7/ONION which is the price as of writing today. It is worth noting that some of these movements have been due to big fluctuations in BitCoin price which had an ATH at $20 000 and is now down at around $10 000.


Still DeepOnion has had a good run with over 100% gain in the last month and this is despite an overall drop in BTC (-30%). The DeepOnion price has now dropped 65% from ATH and it might be a good time to step in if you think BTC has reached the bottom and that this project has merit.

Final Words

Do I have nothing negative to say about this coin?! Nothing that stands out but what bears mention is that the major functions such as the Zero-Knowledge Proof, DeepSend and Private Smart Contracts have not yet been released. These are the functionalities that will act as the base for the multi-layered communications protocol and on which all the native Apps will operate. No one can predict the future whether Deeponion will be able to fulfill on delivering this "privacy platform" and should always be taken into any risk assessment.

Personally I see great potential in the Deeponion project and I am comforted by the fact that they are using tried and tested technology, which in my opinion reduces the risks involved (compared to when developing something entirely new).

Those of you who might think that with the recent releases it might be quiet for a while, and there will be time to step in later, might end up regretting those thoughts. The word is that the DeepOnion Android Wallet release is imminent (I even saw the first transfer done during the last Live Q&A session, held last week) and VoteCentral  has been promised to follow in a close second. Following those releases development is said to continue with iOS wallet, Zero-Knowledge integration, the DeepSend feature and Private Smart Contracts. Who knows, in a month or two I might make a Part 3 with further updates.

Lets now think back to the questions that I stated in the beginning of this article


Do I still consider DeepOnion a good investment?
The answer is maybe obvious: Yes!
Since this ended up being a lot more “pro-ONION” than I had initially planned. I had this whole thing set up, with positives and negatives to remain objective by lifting up the issues that I had researched with outdated TOR version and blocked regions. Since these were the only “questionable” points I had found so far, in regards to DeepOnion, I must admit that I was perfectly foiled by the recent Wallet update.

Do I think my arguments still stand up?
I would say yes and even stronger than before, especially regarding verifying the work of an anonymous team and the promise of the whitepaper release. The argumentation in regards to “not having unique technology” was very well addressed in the whitepaper and concurred with my own views. DeepOnion has chosen tried and tested technologies for a reason and are combining these to something new.

Some might think I should change the title to a “biased” DeepOnion review but I can’t really change my conclusions just because it came out very positive for DeepOnion. This time I won’t apologize this time for the long article but rather say Thank You to all of you that made it all the way here to the bottom and I hope you enjoyed the reading.

For more information on DeepOnion check out the links in my signature for DeepOnion Homepage, Whitepaper, AirDrop and ANN Thread.

Disclaimer: I am no financial advisor so you should always do your own research before choosing to invest in any project


I am loosing my faith a bit in this coin. I think is technically excellent but I would like to see more development and less marketing and "airdrops" that are not really airdrops

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February 12, 2018, 09:15:10 AM
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I am loosing my faith a bit in this coin. I think is technically excellent but I would like to see more development and less marketing and "airdrops" that are not really airdrops

More devlopement? In the last few weeks they have had three wallet updates:
- New Wallet design
- Native integration to the latest TOR update: 0.3.3
- OBFS4 and MEEK support
- Successful sync of China DeepOnion wallet
- WooCommerce plugin for paying with ONIONs

This coin is only 6 months old and there are coins out there that are three years old that still don't have any adaption.

Many compare DeepOnion to SpectreCOin since some of the technology is similar: TOR, OBFS4 etc... Spectre is over one year old and I would say that DeepOnion is already ahead in the development respective.

What about AirDrops not being Airdrops? Please elaborate... Every week they have AirDrops to all members, I have been in since week 20 and have gotten 4-5% on my ONIONs every week. What to complain about that? Is the AirDrop a marketing campaign? Yes it is and it is working really well, it is a good way to achieve good decentralization of the cryptocurrency imo.

I think it is great that you are thinking critically about DeepOnion, you should do that about every coin. So please explain your thoughts and I will explain my views.

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February 12, 2018, 09:26:09 AM
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So what's so special about running over tor? Can't you do this with bitcoin? And hasn't it already been discovered tor users tx's can be traced?

Normally when you open a crypto wallet that wallet gets connected to your IP which can be linked to you. With DeepOnion you instead get a TOR address which is much harder to track. I don't think there is any real way to track TOR users (based on any fault in the TOR technology). The successful tracking is due to human errors and getting exposed in some other way.

But DeepOnion doesn't stop by just "hiding your IP" since that just hides your location. It will also implement DeepSend and Zero-knowledge (communication layers) to ensure that the information sent + involved parties are never disclosed. That means that even if someone tracks a TOR address they won't be able to link it to any transaction or transaction details.
That is the reason I like this coin they are trying to make it possible for "regular Joes" to stay safe and secure on the internet while doing payments. This reduces the risks of identity theft, hacking and unauthorized governmental oversight.

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February 27, 2018, 06:05:51 PM
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I think the main problem of this project are those airdrops. Many people get that coin for free so they can sell it instantly and get some profit. They don't have a good reason to HODL. So the price won't go up so much.

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February 27, 2018, 07:24:37 PM
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I think the main problem of this project are those airdrops. Many people get that coin for free so they can sell it instantly and get some profit. They don't have a good reason to HODL. So the price won't go up so much.

Well the AirDrop is one reason to HODL. Since the amount of $ONIONs you get are in relation to the amount of coins you hold in your wallet: around 4%. So if you sell them off you will get less the next AirDrop. That gives a big reason to HODL. Since it is also a PoS coin you get annual 10% interest on your coins when staking.

But the main reason to HODL is because it is a good project imo.

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