Mining on Intel HD Graphics 530, integrated GPU.

[chiase]

Are we sure that mining over integrated graphics isn't profitable last days, especially with free electricity?

If mining monero through CPU is okay, then why mining whatever through integrated graphics is bad idea?

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


 Keep in mind that Monero is specifically designed to make both CPUs and GPUs fairly close to equal on performance - nothing else has managed to keep them in the same ballpark to date, and even Monero is failing on that lately to some degree with the Vega (back when they could be found near MSRP).

Maybe your tests were not using the full iGPU? Refering to OP's post;

the gpu ramps up to it's minimal operating frequency of 349Mhz, and refuses to go any higher. I've tried to find a way to directly access the bus (as Intel Extreme Tuning Utility only allows for adjustment of the ratios and voltages that affect maximum processing speed, but the governor remains Windows Ondemand,) but it seems nothing exists. That one time I spoke of earlier, I don't know what exactly happened, I started BFGMiner as usual, with the same config file I always used, no new options, and the graphics frequency shot up. And I was getting respectable scrypt hashrates, at the pool! Nothing crazy, but 1-2MH/s (compared to the 10-15KH/s I averaged normally.)

if it was possible to trigger the iGPU to work at 100% boosted freq (or just under it, to maintain 24/7 uptime), then perhaps the performance would not be as pathetic as you and others claim they are?

In terms of the other remarks of minimal return/waste of time/not worth damaging the CPU for etc - sure, but the OP's question has some merit in and of itself, regardless of profitiablity or even practicality. Namely to not only get the iGPU to do some openCL work instead of doing nothing, but also figuring out how to get it to speed boost to a high clock speed and maintain it whilst doing so. I'm sure that's of academic interest to at least someone out there; and there are a bunch of programmers around here that might spare some time if they are curious into looking at it.

Any other comments about using the iGPU being a waste of time is not actually answering OP's question, so you're the only ones wasting time around here.

Does anyone have any ideas on mow I might possibly get the graphics card up, an opencl parameter perhaps?

[preda]

with integrated gpu you cant generally mine and even if you succed you will earn like 1 dollar in 10 years! so ot buy a real gpu card or you have to give up

[generalheed]

Are we sure that mining over integrated graphics isn't profitable last days, especially with free electricity?

If mining monero through CPU is okay, then why mining whatever through integrated graphics is bad idea?

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


 Keep in mind that Monero is specifically designed to make both CPUs and GPUs fairly close to equal on performance - nothing else has managed to keep them in the same ballpark to date, and even Monero is failing on that lately to some degree with the Vega (back when they could be found near MSRP).

The only mining benchmark I have for my Iris Pro 580 is with mining bitcoins. I can pull off slightly more than 100 MH/s for bitcoin though drops to 90 sometimes, overall which is roughly equivalent to a GT 740 that I also tested with. By comparison, an old BlockErupter USB ASIC I have for mining bitcoins only pulls off 333 MH/s. So while the Iris Pro might not be as good as a GTX 750 Ti, it's able to consistently keep up with the GT 740 without needed to be overclocked or anything. In fact, I think it even manages to keep up with the GT 940M in my Surface Book.

So for cryptonote currencies like Monero being very CPU friendly as it is, mining with a high end iGPU isn't such a bad idea. And now that there are Intel and Ryzen CPU's coming with Vega iGPU's that'll make mining with an iGPU even better. But as far as Intel GPU's, based on my experience with mining bitcoins, the Iris Pro 580 isn't that bad compared to some low-mid range NVidia 700 series GPU's.

[QuintLeo]

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.

Maybe your tests were not using the full iGPU?

Running JUST the miner software + Afterburner to monitor GPU status during the testing, yes the FULL iGPU capabilities were in use.
Such as they are.


The Block Erupter was a single-chip USB stick from an early generation, and has proven to be INFERIOR on performnace (though not on efficiency) to many GPUs.
It's also a money loser and has been for YEARS on anything SHA256.


I AM going to be curious to see what the POLARIS based (not Vega) iGPU designs out of AMD have for performance - and how it compares to discrete GPUs with the same core count and similar core clock.
I'm betting they STILL don't match up well, due to memory limitations, but should be a major improvement over the A10/A12 generation.

The GT 740 doesn't even count as an ENTRY LEVEL card any more, much less "low-mid range".
GTX 1030 blows it completely out of the water and the 1030 is BARELY classifiable as "entry level" by current standards since it does get matched on gaming performance by some iGPUs.

[generalheed]

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.

Maybe your tests were not using the full iGPU?

Running JUST the miner software + Afterburner to monitor GPU status during the testing, yes the FULL iGPU capabilities were in use.
Such as they are.


The Block Erupter was a single-chip USB stick from an early generation, and has proven to be INFERIOR on performnace (though not on efficiency) to many GPUs.
It's also a money loser and has been for YEARS on anything SHA256.


I AM going to be curious to see what the POLARIS based (not Vega) iGPU designs out of AMD have for performance - and how it compares to discrete GPUs with the same core count and similar core clock.
I'm betting they STILL don't match up well, due to memory limitations, but should be a major improvement over the A10/A12 generation.

The GT 740 doesn't even count as an ENTRY LEVEL card any more, much less "low-mid range".
GTX 1030 blows it completely out of the water and the 1030 is BARELY classifiable as "entry level" by current standards since it does get matched on gaming performance by some iGPUs.

Yeah I know the Block Erupter is old. I jumped on the ASIC train pretty early back then. But for my personal mining equipment, I basically have multiple general purpose PC's with low to mid range GPU's plus a few VM's on Azure. All that combined, I can pull off about 1.5-2 KH/s. Every bit of hash power I can add helps which is why 100 H/s from an Iris Pro 580 would help quite a lot considering I'm not mining with high end GPU's. The best GPU I have is a GTX 660 Ti. But since I basically don't have to worry about electricity costs right now and I don't have to buy new mining hardware, just using the existing hardware I have is a pretty good deal.

Also, you might find out how good Polaris iGPU's are soon. The developers behind TurtleCoin are working on a GPU cryptonote miner for the Xbox One X which uses a Polaris iGPU that's roughly equivalent to an RX 580 though some benchmarks even put it closer to an RX 590 in terms of performance. I think they're expecting about 800-900 H/s for the GPU performance. If it turns out to be accurate, I'd bet a lot of miners will start buying Xbox One's because of how cheap they are in terms of performance compared to the current price of a lot of high end GPU's.

[QuintLeo]

I saw that miner for Turtlecoin reference somewhere else.

You do realize that your 1.5-2 khash on Monero represents the output of a SINGLE Vega GPU?

On the other hand, I've got more than a few "older" machines or parts from older machines working on various projects, far be it from me to condemn anyone for "recycling existing hardware".


BTW - what is a "RX 590?" Never heard of such a thing before now.

[generalheed]

I saw that miner for Turtlecoin reference somewhere else.

You do realize that your 1.5-2 khash on Monero represents the output of a SINGLE Vega GPU?

On the other hand, I've got more than a few "older" machines or parts from older machines working on various projects, far be it from me to condemn anyone for "recycling existing hardware".


BTW - what is a "RX 590?" Never heard of such a thing before now.

Yeah I figured why not get some use out of my older hardware and mine some coins slowly rather than spend a huge amount of money on GPU's and possibly never even break even. And my bad about the 590, it was a typo from an article I was basing some of the info off of. The Xbox One X should be the same as a 580.