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April 10, 2018, 06:46:39 AM
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Stefan Molyneux says animals cannot debate and that they don't use philosophy ..

Do you think he is right?

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STEFAN IS WRONG   AS ALWAYS  Wink..

I will give you all an example after of an animal that debates Wink just like a human..

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April 10, 2018, 10:49:53 AM
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And the thing we should never forget is human too are animals.
Yes, definitely - there is a continuum between the intelligent ape which we are and the myriad species who live around us. Philosophy is a game of words, but that does not mean that animals do not play games. Is there the a philosophy of the crane, of the snake, of the cow...?
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April 10, 2018, 03:43:40 PM
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And the thing we should never forget is human too are animals.
Yes, definitely - there is a continuum between the intelligent ape which we are and the myriad species who live around us. Philosophy is a game of words, but that does not mean that animals do not play games. Is there the a philosophy of the crane, of the snake, of the cow...?
. Philosophy is a game of words..Yes but No ..I will explain .. BUT this is the meaning of philosophy below..

noun
1.
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.
2.
a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour.
"don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy"
synonyms:   beliefs, credo, faith, convictions, ideology, ideas, thinking, notions, theories, doctrine, tenets, values, principles, ethics, attitude, line, view, viewpoint, outlook, world view, school of thought; Weltanschauung

"I'd like to see your philosophy in action"<<OK I WILL AND I AM A BIRD Wink..

Some other bird builds a nest then lays loads of shine around the nest  then what i do because i am a female bird i will inspect the nest to see if its all
good..

Now as a bird i am debating whether this male bird is worth having babies with..See i like shine and a good nest ..

Now this bird who just built this nest is not worth the hassle   very lazy not much shine and nest not very good ..
So now i had to use a bit of philosophy to think what would happen to my little children if i stay with this lazy bird <NO not much shiny you see.

So now i will have to find another bird to have my children with ..Yes i will have to debate and use philosophy to see if i will have babies with the next bird..


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April 10, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
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Animals have their limits in terms of how they will be able to express themselves, we can see that on the way they mate they have their own way of attracting their mates into them and I think that is the same as how they debate but the word for us is not debate but fight.

They debate in terms of their ability, on their skills. Most of the leader of every group of animals are chosen by this way. For me, they debate in their way but for us humans they are doing it different and we call it fighting.

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April 10, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
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Animals have their limits in terms of how they will be able to express themselves, we can see that on the way they mate they have their own way of attracting their mates into them and I think that is the same as how they debate but the word for us is not debate but fight.

They debate in terms of their ability, on their skills. Most of the leader of every group of animals are chosen by this way. For me, they debate in their way but for us humans they are doing it different and we call it fighting.
Most of the leader of every group of animals are chosen by this way. For me, they debate in their way but for us humans they are doing it different and we call it fighting

For me, they debate in their way but for us humans they are doing it different and we call it fighting<JUST LIKE A HUMAN?

IRAQ SYRIA < to get what we want   OIL < Human always fighting < we do it for fun< boxing ..

Have you got a animals brains to feel what they feel?  SO how do you know what they feel to say that you know how my birds brains tick..

See the problem lies with GOD..Humans most think we are more special than an animal BUT are so much alike in many ways..

Just because it cannot speak our lingo doesn't mean they cannot debate or use philosophy..

To debate you don't need another person to debate as a human ..
We debate in our own minds everyday ..

How many debate god in their own minds ? <To questions god in your own mind you will use  philosophy and debate with yourself FACT..

Now why can't an animal have a debate with it's self IF a human can ?..

You are debating whether to make a cup of tea ..<Well i might have somewhere to go <have i got time yes or no THEN what will happen if i am late..

So why can't animals think the same ?..Well they can because they are just another specie this EARTH made..

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April 10, 2018, 04:58:16 PM
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Animals do not use philosophy. Because, am sure they do not have thinking mind like human beings but they have talent. Animals do not debate, since they do not have thinking mind they are unable to formulate a subject matter on which they can debate. but am sure they have different opinions about things.
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April 10, 2018, 06:29:24 PM
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Animals do not use philosophy. Because, am sure they do not have thinking mind like human beings but they have talent. Animals do not debate, since they do not have thinking mind they are unable to formulate a subject matter on which they can debate. but am sure they have different opinions about things.
They do not have thinking mind like human< does a bird have a brain?
Does a whale have a brain and not a btc whale Wink a swimming whale Grin..

For a animal to be nice to another animal it must debate whether to attack or not plus determine what will the outcome be..

Imagine your late  You go on your way to work thinking i am sacked i have had it THEN when you get in work your boss is sound with you and all that worry was for nothing BUT you debated plus used
philosophy to determine what your boss was going to do     BUT nothing happened what you debated on.


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The lion must of debated whether to kill it or not?..

To debate with yourself to determine an outcome is using debate with philosophy ..

Just because you don't tell someone else doesn't mean you cannot debate or use philosophy ..

To debate with yourself or others of an outcome that may not happen..<Philosophy..

Remember you was late and thought what would happen to you by your boss BUT it never happened..

Killer whales when they group to catch other species they debate and use philosophy ..

To determine an outcome that may not happen ..To catch in a group means communication ..

Now when killer whales go on a hunt how did they gather to start the hunt?.

Then which way should they go to catch ? ALL debate  plus using philosophy to try and determine an
outcome that may not happen<<They might not catch a thing..
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April 10, 2018, 07:40:15 PM
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Correct me If I wrong but I believe dolphins are the smartest animals on earth not countying humans.  Some people think dolphis and humans came from a similar ancestor as well.
scientists reveal that dolphins are NOT more intelligent and are likely ...
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8 Sep 2013 - Justin Gregg, a zoologist who has written Are Dolphins Really Smart?, believes decades of research suggesting dolphins are super-intelligent is flawed.

Many scientist say they are not that smart as we thought ..

But who's asking a dolphin to bake a cake? <Sounds like someone is asking it to  lol

Humans need to know all life that is here today in the 21st century MUST of been very smart to have survived to even be here ..EVERYTHING eats one another <Life is one big PREDATORS ..

If you don't eat meat   you got to watch you don't get eaten ..
Just to be alive in this day and age take smartness to adapt to this planets environments ..

The life chain is vicious    to eat is to kill ..
Even a plant as life and gets eaten..

Just think how lucky you are that your not a apple <You could of well been only your lucky you become a human specie and not a plant specie..

Life debates to survive..
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April 10, 2018, 09:25:38 PM
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I think animals don't have their own philosophy because they don't it
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April 11, 2018, 12:34:50 AM
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I think animals don't have their own philosophy because they don't it
To a dog all humans act the same   we wave our hands we nod our heads we speak all humans do this ..
Now a dog to us wags it's tail barks gives you it's paw all what dogs do they do all the same..

Now does a dog have it's own character ?
Now does a human have it's own character ?

So how come you have your own character if you never debated to yourself how you should act..
You must of thought i will go this way my way ?..

So how come some people wear different clothes ?..
You must of debated with yourself whether the clothes you wear suits you the character you want to be..

Now some dogs will do things so easy and some other dogs will do nothing like my dog..
You can scream as much as you like     she just looks at you as if to say do it yourself LOL..

But still a dog wags it's tail just like every other dog     and the dog knows we humans wave our hands like every other human .. Both different species  but both need to think to survive ..

Did you ever hear the story of the dogs feeding the poor child who was left on the streets to die?..

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The dog must of debated with it's self and used philosophy to think if it left it what would happen ?..
Then decided i will help that child < Takes thought .

Lets have it right    NO GODS   PUT US HERE ..We are just another specie this EARTH made ..

The EARTH is our creator .No zap and humans come to be   just good old debate to survive..

Even war needs to be debated   and philosophy is used to try and predict the outcome of an event..

Same when a tiger hunts it's kill .. MEOW ..And we humans wave our hands ..
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No. Animals react using their instinct. They can't talk with other animals but their action will show the message that they want to tell. Animals will never talk. Dolphins can understand humans but I don't think they can talk or debate. They are the most friendly creature that exist and humans just took advantage of that by making them work on animal shows. They deserve freedom like any of us.Let them out of the sea.

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April 11, 2018, 01:56:25 AM
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No. Animals react using their instinct. They can't talk with other animals but their action will show the message that they want to tell. Animals will never talk. Dolphins can understand humans but I don't think they can talk or debate. They are the most friendly creature that exist and humans just took advantage of that by making them work on animal shows. They deserve freedom like any of us.Let them out of the sea.
No. Animals react using their instinct. So do humans

Dolphins can understand humans but I don't think they can talk or debate.
So how did they understand flipper <joke..

Can you understand someone who is def and dumb? <can they debate?

You don't have to debate by speaking you can debate by thinking without speaking out aloud..

You think a debate ..
If politics on the TV can you not debate while watching TV but keep your debate in your own mind without talking?<<So why can't an animal?

You don't need to talk to debate ..You can debate with yourself and use philosophy without speaking out loud..

You can call someone over by just using your eyes no speech just eyes ..
Now what if i used my eyes and then grunted you be able to debate what i am grunting at..
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