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November 19, 2013, 06:32:07 AM
Last edit: November 19, 2013, 04:43:29 PM by subvolatil
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Well the  Chinese  pushed  the  BTC to  such  level. What i am  trying to  understand  is  that  can  this   effect the entire  ecosystem of  bitcoins  around the  world.

Besides the growth in value of BTC i see these  as a  bad side effect .

1. hoarding the  Bitcoins  creates  a  supply  problem.  
2. artificial  growth  of the  Coins
3. Loss of basic  utility of Bitcoin being  used as a currency

There is  another  problem i am  trying to  wrap my head  around.
For  some  reason i see bitcoin's rapid  growth  as its  own  downfall. i say this  looking  at  the  economics relating to it.
If a  price  of a  currency increases at  such  volatile rate, can it  be effectively used as a  mode of  currency, because  of the  coin changing its  value  it  becomes next  to  impossible  for  people  to  have  any  certainty on its true  value  during  purchase. I guess i just  repeated point 3. *aww  well*

I  like  that  Bitcoin is  increasing  in  value day  by  day, but what i  would  have  liked to  see  was a  steady  growth  in  value  alowing  people to  stabilize transaction of goods and  services. but  what happens  in reality is  it  jumps and  falls  rapidly.


What  do  you  think  should  be  the  ideal  growth  rate  and coin  supply, so that it  is   easy for  vendors  to  do  business?
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November 20, 2013, 04:46:47 PM
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Well the  Chinese  pushed  the  BTC to  such  level. What i am  trying to  understand  is  that  can  this   effect the entire  ecosystem of  bitcoins  around the  world.

Besides the growth in value of BTC i see these  as a  bad side effect .

1. hoarding the  Bitcoins  creates  a  supply  problem.  
2. artificial  growth  of the  Coins
3. Loss of basic  utility of Bitcoin being  used as a currency

There is  another  problem i am  trying to  wrap my head  around.
For  some  reason i see bitcoin's rapid  growth  as its  own  downfall. i say this  looking  at  the  economics relating to it.
If a  price  of a  currency increases at  such  volatile rate, can it  be effectively used as a  mode of  currency, because  of the  coin changing its  value  it  becomes next  to  impossible  for  people  to  have  any  certainty on its true  value  during  purchase. I guess i just  repeated point 3. *aww  well*

I  like  that  Bitcoin is  increasing  in  value day  by  day, but what i  would  have  liked to  see  was a  steady  growth  in  value  alowing  people to  stabilize transaction of goods and  services. but  what happens  in reality is  it  jumps and  falls  rapidly.


What  do  you  think  should  be  the  ideal  growth  rate  and coin  supply, so that it  is   easy for  vendors  to  do  business?

1. Hoarding is most logical thing a person can do with Bitcoin. How dare you expect them to spend Bitcoin? Shocked Comminity has already seen people crying due to past experiences of lofty Bitcoin spending. And this crazy price ride is sure to refrain them from spending. Other unwanted consequences of this price surge in small Bitcoin economy i.e India is- halt in trade.
2. Artificial growth of coin? Can you please elaborate more on this. I thought, fate of coin generation is sealed in maths.
3. No matter.. how much people shout it to be currency. What I think is Bitcoin is math asset with super portability. Although, it can be used as currency but never a currency as prime. Yeah! One day it will become currency when, it market cap will reach large enough so that players won't be able to play with it price but injecting or drawing money out of Bitcoin economy.

Beware! $ 500000.. something something dollar raised by Chinese exchange is being used for insider trading.

Enough vomited! Wink

He's Nick Sazbo from Washington. I've my answer. Or Hal? :O
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November 20, 2013, 06:38:01 PM
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Well the  Chinese  pushed  the  BTC to  such  level. What i am  trying to  understand  is  that  can  this   effect the entire  ecosystem of  bitcoins  around the  world.

Besides the growth in value of BTC i see these  as a  bad side effect .

1. hoarding the  Bitcoins  creates  a  supply  problem.  
2. artificial  growth  of the  Coins
3. Loss of basic  utility of Bitcoin being  used as a currency

There is  another  problem i am  trying to  wrap my head  around.
For  some  reason i see bitcoin's rapid  growth  as its  own  downfall. i say this  looking  at  the  economics relating to it.
If a  price  of a  currency increases at  such  volatile rate, can it  be effectively used as a  mode of  currency, because  of the  coin changing its  value  it  becomes next  to  impossible  for  people  to  have  any  certainty on its true  value  during  purchase. I guess i just  repeated point 3. *aww  well*

I  like  that  Bitcoin is  increasing  in  value day  by  day, but what i  would  have  liked to  see  was a  steady  growth  in  value  alowing  people to  stabilize transaction of goods and  services. but  what happens  in reality is  it  jumps and  falls  rapidly.


What  do  you  think  should  be  the  ideal  growth  rate  and coin  supply, so that it  is   easy for  vendors  to  do  business?

1. Hoarding is most logical thing a person can do with Bitcoin. How dare you expect them to spend Bitcoin? Shocked Comminity has already seen people crying due to past experiences of lofty Bitcoin spending. And this crazy price ride is sure to refrain them from spending. Other unwanted consequences of this price surge in small Bitcoin economy i.e India is- halt in trade.
2. Artificial growth of coin? Can you please elaborate more on this. I thought, fate of coin generation is sealed in maths.
3. No matter.. how much people shout it to be currency. What I think is Bitcoin is math asset with super portability. Although, it can be used as currency but never a currency as prime. Yeah! One day it will become currency when, it market cap will reach large enough so that players won't be able to play with it price but injecting or drawing money out of Bitcoin economy.

Beware! $ 500000.. something something dollar raised by Chinese exchange is being used for insider trading.

Enough vomited! Wink



Artificial Growth,  was in  relation to  the  hoarding effect. (I should have  mentioned  it), Well  when  hording  occurs the inflation  of growth is  artifical induced  by  people   wanting  to  pump up  the  prices  to  such a  level  that it  can  be  dropped  later on. the  basic  economics  of  supply and  demand  becomes influenced  by  individual  forces not  market  forces.

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3. No matter.. how much people shout it to be currency. What I think is Bitcoin is math asset with super portability. Although, it can be used as currency but never a currency as prime. Yeah! One day it will become currency when, it market cap will reach large enough so that players won't be able to play with it price but injecting or drawing money out of Bitcoin economy.
 
The  statement  you  made  is a  woring  trend,  as  an object  will only hold  value  if  that object  has  utility, if  bitcoin  loses  its  basic  utility  of  being a instrument  for purchase  and  sale  then  it also  looses  its  asset  value. the  two  is  intertwined like  lovers.



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November 21, 2013, 07:13:36 AM
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It's important to understand that not everyone hoards. Or at least they "cannot" afford to hoard because people want real cash. The fiat money is what buys food, not bitcoins.

Period.

Right now, all of us hoard real cash as well. It's a way of live. When BTC are converted into mBTC or satoshi, then we will see it's real value. Of course, it is going to take some time, but who's in a hurry anyway.
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